Stanier locomotive designs & those of Fairburn & Ivatt Updated 2022-09-29 Photograph: KPJ at Glasgow Central |
Whereas it was desirable to separate Fowler's and Hughes' designs for the LMS: those of Stanier and his lesser successors (Fairburn and Ivatt) need to be treated together.
General works
Essery, R.J. and Jenkinson, D.
An illustrated history of LMS locomotives. Volume 5. The
post-grouping standard designs. Peterborough: Silver
Link,1989.248pp
Locomotives constructed by, or for the LMS. Concentrates mainly on
externals, although this can be highly illuminating, such as the smoke deflection
experiments on the Royal Scot class. Excellent extended captions
Haresnape, Brian. Stanier
locomotives; a pictorial history. London: Ian Allan, 1970. 128pp.
Nock, O.S. The locomotives of Sir William Stanier. Part I.
Locomotive Mag., 1958, 64,
62-7. 6 illustrations (including portrait), 2 tables
Introduction: compares LMS motive power with that on the GWR where
there was nothing like the 4F 0-6-0 or the Fowler 0-8-0 and there was a total
lack of a modern mixed traffic 4-6-0 recently represented by the Hall class
on the GWR
Nock, O.S. The locomotives of Sir William Stanier. II.
Locomotive Mag., 1958, 64,
107-11. 6 illustrations, 5 tables
Broad policy beyond Pacifics: 5XP three-cylinder 4-6-0 devloped from
Patriot/Baby Scots; two-clinder mixed traffic 4-6-0; two-cylinder 2-6-0 developed
from Horwich type; Class 4 2-6-4T developed from Fowler design; 2-6-2T developed
from Fowler design; and 2-8-0 freight locomotive. All were to have Swindon
style taper boilers with Belpaire fireboxes. Boiler proportions are tabulated.
Fails to question why class 5 and class 5XP had slightly different boilers,
but tabulates cylinder diameter to stroke ratios for the GWR Saint, GWR Star,
LNWR Claughton and LMS Royal Scot, class 5 and 5XP 4-6-0s. Swindon practice
extended to the use of vacuum pumps (quickly abandoned on the LMS)
and coupled wheel axleboxes. Notes use of Class 5 on Ulster Express
which was both heavy and fast. Also initial work of Jubilee 5XP
class.
Rowledge, J.W.P.
Engines of the L.M.S. built 1923-1951. Oxford: OPC, 1975.
108pp + plates (86 illus.)
A pocketbook: includes drawings (side elevations) of all types
built/supplied to the LMS including the Sentinel railcars. Notes on the Company's
far from standard boilers. Tenders, 8F locomotives supplied during WW2.
Photographic illustrations of most types.
Rowledge, J.W.P. L.M.S.
engines: names, numbers, types and classes. Newton Abbot: David &
Charles, 1989. 160pp.
Text is typescript, but includes outline diagrams of the LMS-designed
locomotives. There is a separate section of plates.
Injectors
Cox (British Railways standard steam locomotives. 1966) noted that for the BR standard locomotives live steam injectors were evaluated through a series of tests on the Swindon works steam fittings test plant: both regional and proprietary instruments were tried out for range of working and for maximum delivery capacity. In this case the GWR injector showed a marked superiority over all the others, and it was adopted in three sizes to cover the proposed fleet, giving maximum water deliveries of 34.800, 25.700 and 18.500 lb. per hour respectively, a useful range of adjustment of the quantity delivered being available in each case. Cox noted "It is interesting to recall that this injector design was one of the items which Stanier did not transplant to the LMS when he joined it in 1932, but the Derby injector which he retained for his new command was at this late hour found to be markedly inferior."
Renumbering
See Locomotive Mag., 1934,
40, 152-3
Comprehensive scheme of locomotive re-numbering had been adopted on
the L.M. & S. R. and was being brought into operation. When completed
all standard engines will have numbers below 10000 and, when the older types
are scrapped, all five figure numbers will automatically disappear. To reduce
to a minimum the amount of re-numbering necessary, the new scheme is arranged
so that well-known types, such as The Princess Royal, the Royal Scots and
the Midland Compounds will not have their numbers changed.
The numbring was scheduld for three stages
First stage; 193 engines to be renumbered immediately
1. 2-4-0 ex-LNWR Precedent class
No. 5001 to be renumbered 25001
2. 4-6-0 3-cyl. 5X class (The Baby Scots) to be renumbered as
follows:
old | new | old | new | old | new |
5971 | 5500 | 5983 | 5514 | 5996 | 5528 |
5902 | 5501 | 5902 | 5515 | 5926 | 5529 |
5959 | 5502 | 5982 | 5516 | 6022 | 5530 |
5985 | 5503 | 5952 | 5517 | 6027 | 5531 |
5987 | 5504 | 6006 | 5518 | 6011 | 5532 |
5949 | 5505 | 6008 | 5519 | 5905 | 5533 |
5974 | 5506 | 5954 | 5520 | 5935 | 5534 |
5936 | 5507 | 5933 | 5521 | 5997 | 5535 |
6010 | 5508 | 5973 | 5522 | 6018 | 5536 |
6005 | 5509 | 6026 | 5523 | 6015 | 5537 |
6012 | 5510 | 5907 | 5524 | 6000 | 5538 |
5942 | 5511 | 5916 | 5525 | 5925 | 5539 |
5966 | 5512 | 5963 | 5526 | 5901 | 5540 |
5958 | 5513 | 5944 | 5527 | 5903 | 5541 |
3. 4-6-0 ex L.N.W.R. Experiment and Prince of vVales classes.
Existing engines numbered between 5500-5552 and 5600-5664 to be re-numbered
by adding 20000 to their present number.
4. 2-4-0 ex M.R.
The eight survivors numbered between 1 and 90 to have 20000 added to their
present number, thus, No. 2 will become 20002.
5. 2-6-2 standard passenger tanks.
The seventy engines of this class, now Nos. 15500-15569 have already been
re-numbered 1-70, whilst twenty more of this class now under construction
will be allotted Nos. 71-90.
Second stage: Engines of standard types are to be re-numbered as they
pass through the shops.
When any engine in the following nine groups is re-numbered should there
be another engrne bearing its new number under the old classification, the
latter will immediately be re-numbered also.
1. 0-4-0 Dock engines.
Nos. 1540-1544 to become 7000-7004.
2. Diesel shunters.
Nos. 7400-7408 to become 7050-7058.
3. 0-6-0 Dock engines.
Nos. 11270-11279 to be re-numbered 7100-7109.
4. 0-6-0 Tanks.
Nos. 1900-1959 to become 7200-7259.
Nos. 7100-7156 to become 7260-7316.
Nos. 16400-16764 to become 7317-7681.
5. 2-6-0 mixed traffic engines.
Nos. 13000-13284 to be re-numbered 2700-2984.
6. 0-6-0 ex M.R. Nos. 2700-2984.
Existing engines to have 20000 added to their present
numbers.
7. Former L.N.W. and N.L.R. tanks.
Surviving engines numbered between 7200-7399 and 7423-7681
to have 20000 added to their present numbers.
8. 4-6-0 ex L.N.W.R. "Experiment" and "Prince of Wales" classes
Engines not included in the First Stage of the programme mentioned above
to have 20000 added to their present numbers.
9. 2-4-0 ex M.R.
Surviving engines numbered between 91 and 279 to have 20000
added to their numbers.
Third stage: The remaining non-standard engines numbered below 10000
will have 20000 added to their numbers only when they are required by engines
of standard type.
From the above, it will be seen that under the new scheme the standard type
locomotives are allocated numbers as follows;-.
1- 399 2-6-2 tanks
Class 3
400- 799 4-4-0 simple
Class 2
900-1199 4-4-0 compound
Class 4
1200-1999 0-6-0 (proposed)
Class 2
2000-2499 2-6-4 tanks (2 cylinder)
Class 4
2500-2699 2-6-4 tanks (3 cylinder)
Class 4
2700-3834 2-6-0
Class 4
3835-4899 0-6-0
Class 4
4900-4999 0-6-6-0 Garratts
5000-5499 4-6-0 mixed traffic
Class 5*
5500-6099 4-6-0 Baby Scots
Class 5X
6100-6199 4-6-0 Royal Scots
Class 6
6200-6299 4-6-2 Princess Royals
Class 7
6400-6999 0-4-4 and 0-6-2 tanks
Class 2
7000-7049 0-4-0 dock tanks
7050-7099 Diesel shunters
7100- 7199 0-6-0 dock tanks
Class 3
7200-7999 0-6-0 tanks
8000-8699 2-8-0
9500-9799 0-8-0
Class 7
* The new 4-6-0 mixed traffic engines will be classified 5 for both passenger
and goods and will carry two separate indications, namely, 5 P and 5 F.
The Sentinel locos. are Nos. 7160-4 and 7190-1 and presumably these will
be re-numbered in duecourse
2-8-0
8F: 1935:
The 8F class was introduced for the haulage of heavy long-distance
freight traffic. The design incorporated all of the G.W.R./Stanier design
concepts, such as taper-boiler and long travel valves. Until the Riddles
Austerity locomotives were introduced, it formed the standard War Department
design during the Second World War. Many were built for military or "home-front"
duties in the workshops of the other three main line companies. 849 engines
were eventually built, but not all of these ran in, or were returned to,
Britain. The Locomotive Mag.,
1935, 41, 178 refers to the desin as "improved S&DR type":
KPJ suspects that this was an editorial invention.
The LMS Locomotive Profile No. 8
states in its Introduction: the LMS heavy freight 2-8-0s introduced
by W.A. Stanier in 1935 shared many characteristics and details with the
earlier mixed traffic Class 5 design and became equally highly regarded by
railwaymen and enthusiasts alike. Although neither as numerous in LMS and
BR service nor as widely travelled on the LMS system as the 4-6-0s, they
were destined to become not only the most numerous examples of the company's
designs built but also went further afield than any other. Fairly obviously,
this statement will require amplification, which we will give in subsequent
sections, but simply stated, only 331 of the 852 locomotives built were to
LMS orders. Of the remainder, 208 were built by various firms for the War
Department to be used overseas and the rest to orders placed on different
railway company works by the wartime Railway Executive Committee and the
London & North Eastern Railway for service in Britain. Thus, as well
as LMS works and outside contractors building them, 8Fs were produced by
three works on the Southern Railway and two LNER establishments as well as
at the Great Western's Swindon Works. Many of the WD engines did go abroad
and although some returned to Britain, others were either lost at sea or
remained in the Middle East and Turkey, where the last survivors were still
in use in the mid-1980s, whilst fifteen served in Italy. To complicate the
issue further, 53 WD engines were loaned to the LMS in the early years of
World War 2, some LMS locomotives were requisitioned by the War Department,
and many of those built to Railway Executive orders were loaned to the LNER
and GWR despite carrying LMS numbers. Eleven of the requisitioned locomotives
and 31 WD engines returned to Britain after the war. A further potential
confusion was caused by the fact that one of the LMS locomotives requisitioned
during the war, as well as thirteen WD examples that were loaned to the LMS,
were purchased by British Railways and entered that company's service with
different numbers from those they had previously carried. Altogether, 751
of them carried LMS or BR (LMR) numbers at one time or another, although
the maximum number to see BR service simultaneously was 666 achieved between
1957 and 1960. From the foregoing, it can be seen that the story of the 8Fs
was extremely complex. Incidentally, the LMS Locomotive Profile is extremely
good and a vast advance upon the first in this series. .
L.M.S. orders for 369 locomotives. Rly Gaz., 1936, 64, 20-1.
3 illus.
Orders for 69 class 8F locomotives under the Government Guaranteed
Loan Scheme.
NEW heavy freight locomotives, L.M.S.R. Rly Mag., 1935,
77,121-2.2 illus.
NEW L.M.S. freight engine. Engineer, 1935, 159, 678. illus.,
diagr. (s. & f. els.)
NEW 2-8-0 locomotives, L.M.S.R. Rly Gaz., 1935, 62, 1222. illus. diagr.
(s. el.)
2-8-0 freight locomotives, L.M. & S.R.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1935,
41, 206-7. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.)
2-8-0 type locomotives for the London, Midland and Scottish Railway.
Engineering, 1935, 139, 689. illus.
1939-1945 War:
Locomotive built under Government contracts, mainly for military service
overseas.
BRITISH rolling stock for service overseas: details of the 240 locomotives
and 10,000 covered wagons ordered by the Ministry of Supply for use with
the British Expeditionary Force. Rly Gaz., 1940, 72, 83-5.
illus. 5 diagrs. (incl. s.. el.)
[CAB and front-end illustrations of class 8F as modified for Middle Eastern
conditions]. Rly Mag., 1942, 88, 114.2 illus.
[CLASS 8F: 240 constructed for service in France]. Rly Gaz., 1940,
72, 777. illus., diagr. (s. el.)
L.M.S.R.-type locomotives built in Southern Railway works. Rly Gaz.,
1944, 80, 90. 5 illus.
Locomotives constructed at Brighton Works.
L.M.S.R.-type locomotives built in Southern Railway works. Rly Mag.,
1944, 90, 102. 3 illus.
LORD Leathers congratulates Southern Railway workers: utility locomotives
built to Government order. Rly Gaz., 1944, 80, 96.
ROLLING stock for the B.E.F. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1940,
46, 144-5. illus., diagr. (s. el.)
Modifications for French conditions.
Retrospective & critical
Allen, C.J. The locomotive exchanges,
1870-1948. [1950] .
The appendix includes results of the 1948 inter-regional exchanges
of freight locomotives, in which the 8F class was evaluated.
Atkins, Philip. Odious comparisons.
Steam Wld., 2015, (335),
8-14.
Annual mileage and availability on a Regional basis for 1955-61; Table
6 also includes 8F, O1 and 28XX 2-8-0 types and some comment
Benford, B. Why were Swindon
'8Fs' singled out? Steam Wld, 2006 (224) 50.
Claims that in 1955-7 25 Swindon-built 8Fs were transferred from the
LMR to the Western Region.
Bond, R.C. Organisation and control
of locomotive repairs on British Railways. J. lnstn Loco. Engrs, 1953,
43,175-265.. (Paper No.520).
Includes mileage figures, between overhauls, for the class:
50,361.
Bourne, T.W. (Smokey). Back to reality.
Modellers Backtrack, 1994,
4, 116-18.
Critical of the concept of Chief Mechanical Engineers, notably Webb,
but Stanier is also condemned. In both cases their approach to standardisation
is condemned: Webb because Crewe Works were unable to adept to change, and
Stanier for the 8F type being too slow.
Chackfield, J.E. Ron Jarvis:
from Midland Compound to the HST. 2004.
Page 81 Jarvis was involved in the design of snowploughs for working
over Settle & Carlisle line: using a desin based upon cow-catchers supplied
by NBL. Jarvis was involved (Chapter 3) in assembling 8F locomotives in Turkey
during WW2 and in the receipt of them at the port of Iskenderun. Chapter
6 reccounts the return of 8Fs from the Canal Zone to the LMS following WW2.
Copsey, John. Swindon's
'8Fs'. Great Western Rly J., 2004, (51), 165-76.
During WW2 the LMS 8F was built as a "standard class" and eighty were
constructed at Swindon and use on GWR lines until displaced by WD locomotives.
Copsey states that the GWR crews found certain difficulties with the locomotives
and this is confirmed in the correspondence. As usual Copsey gives details
of allocations and duties. See also letter
in Number 52 page 239 from R.S. Potts concerning problems with using
combined steam & vacuum brake fitted to 8F class, plus the lack of a
powerful handbrake. The GWR did not use steam brake and fitted powerful
handbrakes: thus the GWR footplate crews had to learn how to handle the steam
brake fitted to 8F and WD types. H.M.
Parker (same issue & page as previous) states that 4835 sent to St
Blazey in 1944 before being sent to Penzance.
Essery, Bob. LMS Garratts.
Steam Wld, 2009 (263),
28-39.
Annual mileage statistics are quoted for the 8F for 1950: 24,423
miles.
Hall, Stanley. Railway milestones and
millstones: triumphs and disasters in British railway history. 2006.
Milestone: "masterpiece":
Hunt, David et
al. LMS locomotive profile: No. 8 the Class 8F 2-8-0s.
Didcot: Wild Swan. 136pp.
Mel Holley (Steam World,
2006, (226), 65) notes folding diagrams which once upon a time used to
be taken for granted and lack of title on spine, and lack of "precise" withdrawal
dates, but otherwise overall excellence. Appendices include details of War
Department locomotives.
Hunt, David et al. Pictorial Supplement to LMS locomotive
profile: No. 8 the Class 8F 2-8-0s. Wild Swan. 80pp.
Mel Holley (Steam World,
2006, (226), 65) notes "excellent book", although questions high
cost.
Notes on Stanier "8F" 2-8-0 engines. J. Stephenson Loco. Soc.,
1956, 32, 84-8. illus., table.
Notes on the locomotives built in the workshops of other railways
and on the W.D. locomotives.
Pollock, D.R. and White, D.E.,
compilers. The 2-8-0 & 2-10-0 locomotives of the War Department,
1939-1945: Stanier L.M.S. type 2-8-0; British Austerity 2-8-0; British Austerity
2-10-0; Robinson L.N.E.R. class O4 2-8-0. Rly Obsr., 1946, 16
Supplement No.5.
Powell, A.J. Living with London Midland
locomotives. 1977.
Chapter 10: The strong pull: a footplateman's view.
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp: 88-96.
Chapter entitled Class 8F-2-8-0': This includes the many, of the mainly
minor, alterations which took place during the life of the locomotives, but
not the vast number of modifications which took place during military service.
Notes that 48169 was fitted with a full set of unbalanced driving wheels
from a WD 2-8-0.
Railway Correspondence and Travel
Society. Locomotives of the LNER. Part 6B. Tender enginesclasses
O1 to P2. 1983.
Pp. 108-116: includes information about the thirty 8F locomotives
constructed at Doncaster and the same number at Darlington during WW2. They
were classified as O6 whilst on the LNER, but at the end of the War were
exchanged for WD 2-8-0s. .
Riley, R.C. L.M.S. type 2-8-0's built by Southern Railway. J.
Stephenson Loco. Soc., 1946, 22, 202. illus.
Rowledge, J.W.P. Heavy
goods engines of the War Department. Vol. 2. Stanier 8F 2-8-0. Poole:
Springmead Books, 1977/78.3v.
Rudgard, H. discussion on Patrick, D. Some notes on American
locomotive practice 1948. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs., 1950, 39, 86.. (Paper No. 483)
During WW2 when iron ore had to be moved from Kettering to Scotland
two class 8 2-8-0 freight locomotives coupled together hauled a gross load
of 2850 tons
Stanier, W.A. The position of the locomotive in mechanical
engineering. Proc. Instn mech.
Engrs, 1941, 146, 50-61 + 4 plates. 13 illus., diagr., 3 tables.
(Presidential Address).
Stokes, Ken. Both sides of the footplate. Truro: Bradford
Barton, [1985?]. Chap. 8.
Had experience of No. 8696 converted to oil-firing in 1946/7: generally
he found the locomotive highly satisfactory and he considered that the technique
could have been used to postpone conversion to diesel traction.
Toms, George and Essery,
R.J.. William Stanier's Class 8F 2-8-0. Br. Rly J. LMS Special
Ed., 1988, 3-17.
Bibliography includes several works which are not ywt listed herein:
includes brief ddetails of War Department locomotives. Photographs show variety
of tendrs and liveries.
War Department Stanier 2-8-0's. Rly Obsr., 1948, 18,
204-5. table.
Notes on locomotives returned to Britain from overseas.
Thorley, W.G.F. A breath of
steam.1975.
The new Class 8F (originally classified 7F) 2-8-0 locomotives, five
of which were allocated to Westhouses a few months after emerging new from
Crewe Works, proved to be another stimulus to sustain interest in things
mechanical. As is invariably the case with a new locomotive design, there
were many minor teething troubles. I submitted several suggestions for
improvement of details, illustrated by Dobson's wonderful freehand sketches
for the production of which he had a remarkable gift. Ideas related to the
armouring of the flexible oil pipes to the trailing coupled axleboxes to
withstand the heat of the firebox; the provision of an expansion bend in
the steam control pipe to the continuous blowdown valve; rearrangement of
the middle ashpan damper to facilitate ashpan cleaning; provision of separate
gauge frame drain taps; modification to the steam cylinders which operated
the dry sanding gear; and to the layout of connections to the sand gun fitted
to the boiler backplate for cleaning the tubes whilst running. Many innovations
on the 2-8-0 previously unknown to Westhouses men were appreciated by them,
including the bushed type connecting rod big end fitted with a fluted restrictor
instead of a worsted trimming and a host of grease nipples on the brake rigging
and intermediate drawgear which reduced the number of oiling points requiring
the use of the traditional oil feeder.
One frequent subject of comment was the 2-8-0's apparently inferior
braking performance compared with that of the standard Class 7F 0-8-0's.
This is not surprising as the brake percentage (ie the ratio of the sum of
the forces on the brake blocks divided by the static weight on the rail and
expressed as a percentage) of the latter was 78.5 compared with only
65.8 on the new 2-8-0s. Yet as so often happens, drivers quickly adjust
themselves to a new set of circumstances. The complaints quickly died as
they became accustomed to what was still a good brake on the
2-8-0.
The continuous blowdown valve mentioned above was also a new innovation.
It was fitted to the boiler backplate for the purpose of drawing off a portion
of the water in the boiler whenever the engine regulator was open. At that
time, despite the efforts of the water softening chemists, some soluble compounds
often remained in suspension in the feed water after treatment and caused
excessive priming when a locomotive was worked hard. The blowdown valve was
controlled by steam under pressure led through a small bore pipe from the
rh cylinder; the water drawn off amounted to 2-3 gpm and was led through
a coil in the tender tank where some heat was recovered before the water
was discharged onto the ballast. Enginemen disliked the arrangement because
they considered (rightly) that they were having to shovel more coal, although
the heat losses were doubtless more than counterbalanced by the cleaner water
side heating surfaces which resulted from feed water treatment. The civil
engineers in due course came to dislike the apparatus also and produced
impressive figures of the additional costs incurred in permanent way maintenance
due to the discharge of boiler water on to the ballast.
With the advantage of hindsight, the necessity to fit the contraption at
all now appears to have arisen because all the possible effects of
water treatment were not considered initially; or if they were, someone in
the hierarchy objected to capital expenditure being earmarked to counter
the harmful side effects. Not that we were overmuch concerned at the MIC
with the financial results of water treatment; when stalwarts like Johnny
Duroe, Albert Lee, Bill Younger, Sam Harris and 'Ferd' Whitaker got going
about the new fittings, of which usually no one knew anything until a locomotive
so equipped made its first appearance on the shed, their preoccupation was
with problems such as whether an additional water stop would be required
on a given working. Countless highly competent engineers have launched and
still do launch their products and systems on to long-suffering users without
a thought that any steps taken to acquaint the latter with the purpose of
the equipment and invite their wholehearted co-operation in making it work,
would pay handsome dividends.
Topham, W.L. The
running man's ideal locomotive. J. Instn Loco. Engrs., 1946,
36, 3-29. Disc.: 29-91. (Paper No. 456)
Much based on experience of 8F during WW2 in Persia (Iran) and Egypt
where oil-firing showed up several weaknesses in design, notably burning
of torpedo ends of superheater elements. The superheater tubes were only
11 SWG and there had been many burst elements in Persia and Egypt with
oil-firing: Plate frames were advanced: "when a Baldwin 2-8-2 and an LMS
8F collided in Persia it was easy to see who got the best of it". The solid
bronze bushes with white metal inserts gave excellent service.
Tyler, Keith, John Bond and Alan Wilkinson. Stanier 8F 2-8-0:
a study of the Stanier class 8F locomotive. Stanier 8F Locomotive
Society,[1978]. 96pp.
Ottley 12306: cited by Toms & Essery. Reviewed by JB in
Railway Wld., 1979,
40, 94 & publisher given as Bradford Barton.
Whalley, F.S. The work of their
craft. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1946, 36, 401-29.
Mainly an account of the "Liberation" type, but the 8F design is also
considered.
Alan Wilkinson. The doughty warrior; 50 years on.
Railway World, 1990,
51, 462-7.
North British Locomotive Co. 8F 2-8-0 WD No. 307 emerged from Hyde
Park Works in 1940 and was intended for France, but was not sent there. Instead
it worked at Toton, Holbeck and Westhouses until returnned to te War Department
and sent to the Iranian State Railways as their 41.109 and was converted
to oil firing; eventually becoming No. 70307 and sent to Egypt and Palestine.
In 1952 it returned to Derby for repair and posting to Longmoor Military
Railway as WD 500. Eventually it was sold to British Railways, reconverted
to coal firing and sent to Polmadie, thence to the London Midland Region
and eventual preservation on the Severn Valley Railway.
Wilkinson, Alan. Great
preserved locomotives - 1. Stanier '8F' No 8233. lan Allan, 48pp,
illus,
4-6-2
7P (later 8P) "Princess Royal": 1933:
The Princess Royal class was Stanier's first major LMS design.
In many ways the design was a direct derivative of the GWR King class.
The front-end dimensions were generally similar. The wheel size was identical,
which was non-standard on both railways. The boiler differed considerably
except for the low superheating area which was common to both designs. Both
the boiler and trailing truck appear to owe much to the Fowler Pacific design.
It is not surprising that this similarity exists with the former because
Stanier presumably had some part in the design of the King class whilst
in the employment of the GWR. In 1935 the boiler was radically altered and
a much higher degree of superheating was incorporated.
Allen, C.J. The first L.M.S.R. Pacific locomotive. Rly Mag.,
1933, 73, 88-90. illus., 2 diagrs. (s. & f. els.)
BOILER for 4-6-2 express locomotive, "Princess Royal", L.M.S.R.. Loco.
Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1934, 40, 229-30.5 diagrs.
Borderer, pseud. The new L.M.S. "Pacific". Rly Obsr.,
1933, 5, 87-8. illus., table.
Mainly concerned with externals.
4-6-2 type express passenger locomotive for the L.M.S. Railway.
Engineering, 1933, 136, 21-2. illus., diagr. (s. & f.
els)
L.M.S. "Pacific" locomotive. Engineer, 1933, 156, 16-17. illus,
diagr. (s. & f. els.)
NEW four-cylinder 4-6-2 express locomotive, L.M.S.R. Rly Engr. 1933,
54, 230-8. 9 illus., diagr. (s. el.)
NEW 4-6-2 "Pacific" type four-cylinder locomotive, London, Midland &
Scottish Ry. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1933, 39, 197-9. illus.,
diagr. (s. & f. els.)
NEW "Pacific" type locomotive, L.M. & S. Ry. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon
Rev., 1933, 39, 233. illus.
Slight modifications to the original design.
No. 6201 Princess Elizabeth fitted with plain double blastpipe
& chimney
Cox Locomotive panorama 1
states that photographs published in this form in
which exhauts from inside and outside cylinders evacuated separately
and quickly removed. See also Macnair Backtrack, 2022, 36,
633.
1935: Modified boilers: 6203 et. seq -
L.MS. four-cylinder passenger locomotives. Engineer, 1935, 160,
74. illus.
NEW 4-6-2 express locomotives, L.MS.R. Rly Gaz, 1935, 63, 113.
illus.
NEW 4-6-2 four-cylinder passenger locos., L.M.S.R..
Loco Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1935,
41, 236. illus.
Front end modification: 1952/4
Cylinder fixing with shear strips.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev.,
1954. 60, 119. 2 illus., diagr..
No. 46203 shown in photograph. See also Forsyth, I.C.
Discussion on R.C. Bond Organisation and control of locomotive
repairs on British Railways. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs, 1953, 43, Pp. 225-8 (3 illus.):
Tenders
L.M.S.R. Pacific tenders. Rly Mag., 1983, 462.
This entry from Jones is clearly incorrect. Notes on the tenders
originally and subsequently fitted to Nos. 6200 and 6201.
Performance and testing:
LMS. demonstrations and testing methods tended to favour absolute
endurance techniques. This was understandable on a railway where through
locomotive workings from London to Carlisle were common place and in certain
instances runs were extended through the 401 miles to Glasgow. Moreover normal
trains were heavy and the northern part of the Anglo-Scottish route is steeply
graded. The two most notable test runs were the press trip with a 505 ton
train in 1933 and the 1936 high-speed run from London to Glasgow and
back.
1933: press demonstration:
This run, which should have been from Euston to Crewe, unfortunately
ended with the failure of No. 6200 at Lichfield. This was due to an overheated
axlebox.
TEST of locomotive No. 6200, L.M.S.R., Euston-Crewe. Loco. Rly
Carr. Wagon Rev., 1933, 39, 267.
1933: London-Glasgow through working
Longest through locomotive working in Great Britain. Locomotive Mag., 1934, 40, 29.
Fast run from Bletchley to Euston by The Royal Scot hauled by The Priness Royal and driven by L. Earl. Locomotive Mag., 1935, 41, 40
1938:
The Railway Gazette published details of a Euston to Aberdeen
working to show the arduous operating conditions for LMS
Pacifics.
LONG engine working, L.M.S.R. Rly Gaz., 1935, 63, 161-2.
No. 6200 (with modified boiler):
Test runs from Liverpool to Euston (notable for high speed with heavy
load) and from Crewe to Glasgow and back (heavy load and relatively high
speeds on Shap and Beattock banks).
HIGH-SPEED test runs of L.M.S. 4-6-2 locomotive.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1935,
41, 231-2.
16-17 November 1935:
High-speed test run from Euston to Glasgow (Central) and back. The
maximum indicated horsepower recorded was 2448. Outward a time of 353 min.
38 seconds was achieved and the return 322 min 15 seconds or 70 mile/h average.
Driver T.J. Clarke was in charge with fireman A. Shaw. Riddles was on the
footplate. Lemon was on the train
Allen, C.J. Four hundred miles at 70 miles an hour: Glasgow to Euston
in 5 hours 44¼ minutes. Rly Mag., 1937, 80, 7-13. illus.,
table.
LONDON, Midland & Scottish Railway: experimental high-speed test runs
between London and Glasgow. Loco.
Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1936, 42, 375-8.
L.M.S.R. six-hour schedule trial runs, London-Glasgow-London. Rly Gaz.,
1936, 65, 866-7; 900-2. illus., diagr., table.
Stanier, W.A. The position of the locomotive in mechanical engineering.
Proc. Instn mech. Engrs,
1941, 146, 50-61 + 4 plates. 13 illus., diagr., 3 tables.
(Presidential Address).
No. 6210: Euston to Glasgow dynamometer car test
Accidents
Weedon: 21 September 1951
Reade, Lewis. Disaster at Weedon.
Backtrack, Introductory Issue, 34-7.
Derailment of Princess Royal class 46207 Princess Arthur of
Cannaught on express train on 21 September 1951 which led to the deaths
of 14 passengers and one member of the dining car staff. The footplate crew
survived and protected their train in spite of being severely shaken. The
line was reopened in 30 hours. The later recovery of the locomotive,
using Kelbus apparatus, is also described. The accident enquiry, conducted
by Lt. Col. G.R.S. Wilson, concluded that the derailment was caused by an
excessively tight bogie axlebox. illus.: The grim sight at Weedon about two
hours after the accident on 21st Sept (aerial photograph Press Association);
Track diagram of accident recovery;
Retrospective and critical
Allen British Pacifics observes that not a few troubles were
experienced with the 'Princesses' after they entered service. Principles
of design which had been traditional at Swindon for long past, but which
depended on the use of Welsh coal and the scientific handling methods in
which Great Western drivers and fireman had been trained, were not automatically
to achieve the same success on the L.M.S.R., whose engine-crews were to learn
that their new and imposing 4-6-2s needed a good deal of 'nursing' if they
were to give of their best.
There were mechanical difficulties also. It had been an error to position
the outside cylinders over the trailing wheels of the bogie; there was a
tendency for these cylinders to work loose, and eventually strips of metal
had to be welded to the main frames in order to secure the flanges of the
cylinder castings more firmly, though even then not with complete success.
Again, there were fractures of the rear truck frames, which were experienced
similarly with the 'Duchesses' and led to the last two of the latter being
equipped with cast steel truck frames.
Another Swindon speciality, the regulator working in the superheater
header (in the absence of a steam dome) was found to be troublesome, and
not a few header fractures occurred. For the same reason the regulator proved
to be stiff in action, so that slipping by these engines, with their relatively
low ratio of adhesion, was not easy to control. In the end all the 'Princesses'
were provided with steam domes, to which the regulators were transferred.
All these points weighed heavily with Stanier when the designs for the
'Coronation' class were in preparation.
Powell (Living with London Midland locomotives) notes that there were mechanical weaknesses which undoubtedly lowered availability and reacted on reliability and steaming. First of all the outside cylinders, located over the trailing bogie wheels, gave a lot of trouble with loosening. The plain fact was that, because of the inside motion, the frames could have very little horizontal staying in this zone there was only the bogie centre in front and the exhaust breeches pipe between the cylinders, the rest being simple vertical stretchers, and so a lot of racking of the frames could take place, destroying the tightness of the cylinder bolts. As soon as this happened the movement transferred itself to the exhaust channels, which loosened and often fractured and this usually impacted on the steaming by leaking exhaust steam into the smokebox. As so often in locomotive design, the layout in this area was necessarily a compromise: one either put in a massive structure which produced a robust frame but made access to the inside motion appalling for preparation and maintenance (as on the GWR four-cylinder locomotives) or left it reasonably open for human access and suffered some flexing.
In the end, when normal shop repairs were ineffective, the decision was taken to support the cylinder bolts by welding buttress strips on to the frame plates fore and aft of the outside cylinder flanges, with fitted packings between, and this was fairly successful. Crewe applied this arrangement by keeping a spare front end frame section, complete with cylinders and stretchers and extending back to the leading coupled axle horns; when a 'Princess' came in for general repair, the front of the old frames was cut off and the replacement unit welded on.
The original regulators, in the superheater header in the smokebox, were distinctly 'heavy' to handle, and lacked sensitivity (a serious design weakness on an engine with a lot of power in relation to its adhesion.) In fact, I used to watch little Laurie Earl of Camden on occasion ; he was about as tall as six penny-worth of coppers when he got the rightaway' at Rugby, run across the cab and positively launch himself at the regulator handle. In addition, there was a fairly heavy mortality of headers themselves, due to fractures and that didn't do the steaming much good, either! So all the 'Princess' boilers were converted to dome regulators in the early 1950s. To pile on the agony, there was some trouble with fracturing of the rear bissel truck frames and loose rivet attachments to the radial arm an occurrence also not unknown on the 'Duchesses' with the similar arrangement. And even the coupled wheel centres seemed to come from a poor batch of castings ; the Crewe Steel Foundry was notorious for the porosity and sand inclusions in its products and spoke fractures were not infrequent.
Allen, C.J. British Pacific
locomotives.1962.
The section on Stanier Pacifics is based on the same author's The
Stanier Pacifics of the L.M.S. (see below).
Allen, C.J. The Stanier
Pacifics of the L.M.S.. 1950.
Certain of the illustrations and diagrams contained in this work are
not repeated in the later British Pacific locomotives
(above).
Atkins, Philip. It had already been done!.
Steam Wld, 1999, (143)
54-7.
Atkins considers that J.F. Harrison's claim made in 1961 that the
A1 class achieved a mileage of 202 miles per day has not withstood close
scrutiny and was probably nearer 184.9, as compared with 184.7 achieved by
Duchess class. In 1936 Princess Royal Pacifics 6209 achieved 101.545 miles
and 6210 108,360 miles.
Atkins, Philip. Odious comparisons.
Steam Wld, 2015, (335),
8-14
Annual mileage: 75,000 in 1937 and 45,000 in 1950: average of 294
miles per working day during period 1950-8
Bond, R.C. Ten years' experience
with the L.M.S. 4-6-2 non-condensing turbine locomotive No.6202. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs, 1946, 36, 182-265. (Paper No. 458).
Pp. 208-15. The author quotes results of comparative tests, undertaken
in 1936/37, between the Princess Royal Pacifies and the turbine locomotive:
coal and water consumption were compared for Nos. 6212 and 6210, with No.
6202 on London to Glasgow workings with a dynamometer car:
Engine | 6212 | 6210 | 6202 | 6202 | 6202 |
Miles | 1608 | 1608 | 1608 | 1207 | 1608 |
Coal lbs/mile | 42.90 | 44.98 | 42.4 | 45.15 | 41.6 |
Coal lbs/dbhph | 3.22 | 2.977 | 2.97 | 2.855 | 2.78 |
Water gallons/mile | 36.1 | 37.26 | 34.2 | 34.96 | 37.1 |
Water lbs/dbhph | 26.90 | 24.67 | 24.00 | 22.11 | 24.80 |
Bond used these data to show that No. 6202 achieved a lower coal
consumption of over 6% except in the case of one run by No. 6212..
Brooks, Mike. Naming the first
LMS Pacifics. Rly Wld, 40, 79-82.
Proposed names for Princess Royal (including names suggested by Public
Relations Dept from Longfellow's Hiawatha, such as Minnehaha),
and royal alternates to the ones actually used. Stanier's involvement in
livery (correspondence with H.G. Ivatt at St Rollox concerning Caledonian
blue) and with style of nameplate for 6220 Coronation. Also names
proposed, but not used for Claughton and Prince of Wales classes:
Liver and Cook were suggested for latter.
Clay, J.F. and Cliffe,
J. The West Coast Pacifics. London: Ian Allan, 1976. 208pp
Useful summary of Princess Royal locomotive performance both
on the West Coast route.
Cook, A.F. Raising steam on
the LMS: the evolution of LMS locomotive boilers. Huntingdon: RCTS,
1999. 233pp.
It is probably not an exageration to state that more boilers were
designed for the Princess Royal Pacifics than for all the LNER designed
Pacifics, and that sucess was not achieved until the Coronation Pacifics
were introduced. Cook suggests that too much reliance was placed upon the
unsatisfactory boiler fitted to Churchward's Great Bear
Crosse, J. Stanier Pacific Trials.
Backtrack, 2010, 24,
147-9.
Article based upon official dynamometer car records which must have
beeen dated, although is not quoted for first run. This was a test non-stop
from Euston to Glasgow hauled by No. 6201 Princess Elizabeth with
seven carriages (including dynamometer car) which achieved a time of 5 hours
54 minutes 12 seconds (average 68.2 mile/h; maximum 95). The minima at Shap
and Beattock were 57 and 56 and two firemen were pn the footplate. The driver
was T. Clarke of Crewe. The return on the next day with an extra coach was
slightly faster. Both runs are included in
C.J. Allen's British Pacific
locomotives pp. 123-5 where the dates stated are 16 and 17 November
1936. The next run considered was the press demonstration run (see Allen)
of 15 August 1933 by No. 6200 The Princess Royal when fifteen carriages
were taken to just beyond Tamworth where a hot box brought the demonstration
to a halt (see Allen, who was on the train, for how the press party was returned
to Euston). Other runs considered were those by No. 6200 on 23 July 1933
from Crewe to Carlisle and back and by No. 6201 on 17 December 1933 over
the same route. Dynamometer car records from two series of runs on service
trains with No. 6209 Princess Beatrice between 29 November and 9 December
1938, and 10-20 January 1939 were run over the Crewe to Carlisle section
in connection with an evaluation of lagging for superheater elements. Finally
there are some details of test running with No. 6234 Duchess of Abercorn
on 12 and 26 February 1939 between Crewe and Glasgow and return with
600 ton trains (for latter when equipped with a double chimney see also Allen
pp. 140 et seq)
Dentith, T.G. The LM.S.R. Pacific locomotives 6200-6212, the "Princess
Royals". J. Stephenson Loco. Soc.. 1964, 40, 78-87. 7 illus.,
2 diagrs., (s. el.), table.
A history of the class.
Earnshaw, Alan. Lines to the Citadel.
Backtrack, 1997, 11, 530.
page 530 Princess Royal No 46209 Princess Beatrice (caption
notes that Carlisle enginemen disliked the Brunswick green used at that
time).
Evans, M. Pacific steam : the British
Pacific locomotive. London, 1961.
Ewart, Brell and Brian Radford. Princess Margaret Rose
- the first production Stanier Pacific. Platform 5.
David Jenkinson reviewed this in Backtrack, 7, 166:
he called it a thoroughly enjoyable book but noted that in the lay on the
cusp between history and preservation
Fore, J. Footplate impressions.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1955, 45, 31 7-21. (Paper No.
546).
The experience was gained by a graduate apprentice when firing and
observing driving techniques on a number of classes including the LMS
Pacifics.
While the earlier engines [Princess Royal] are still capable of heavy work,
the ease with which the later series tackle the heaviest duties is very
impressive. The steaming of the Coronations is so good that almost
any method of firing will produce the desired result. Greater care, however,
is required to maintain boiler pressure on the Princess Royals.
The fire must be kept thinner than is usual on the later engines. It is notable
how much easier the wide grates on these engines are to fire than the narrow
fireboxes of other locomotives when working hard. A feature of the wide gate
is that as much as two-thirds of the coal fired needs to be placed in and
around the back corners of the firebox. The riding of both series of locomotives
is very good indeed at all speeds and much superior to types without a radial
truck under the footplate, the contrast being particularly marked when the
engines are becoming due for works repair.
Forsyth, I.C. Discussion on R.C. Bond Organisation and
control of locomotive repairs on British Railways.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1953,
43, Pp. 225-8 (3 illus.):
Described a welding repair method adopted at Crewe for fitting a
pre-assembled front-end onto the Princess Royal main frames, which
indicated that trouble was experienced through the cylinders working loose
and fracturing. See also "Cylinder fixing with shear strips" (above).
Hall, Stanley. Railway milestones and
millstones: triumphs and disasters in British railway history. 2006.
Milestone: "were a great success":
Haresnape, Brian. Princess Royal Pacifics [letter].
Steam Wld., 1974,
33, 227.
Boiler varieties, liveries and tenders with roller
bearings
Hunt, David and Bob Essery and Fred James. The "Princess Royal"
Pacifics. LMS Locomotive Profile
Number 4.
Many detailed diagrams. Further information
LMS Journal (9), 35-40..
Huntriss, Derek The colour of steam: Volume 6. The
LMS Pacifics. Atlantic Transport Publishers. 48pp
Claims to illustrate each member of the class in colour
Jenkins, Terry. Sir Ernest
Lemon. 2011. pp. 108-10
Lemon's private papers show his response to the initial failure on
the test run and adds another dimension to the Euston to Glasgow round trip
(with Lemon on the footplate on some of the journeys).
Jenkinson, David. The Princess Royal Pacifics1. Stanier's
half-forgotten engines? Rly
World, 1972, 33, 14-19.
Jennison, John. A detailed history of the Stanier Pacifies: the
Princess Royals, the 'Turbomotive' and the Coronations locomotives of the
LMS series. Railway Correspondence & Travel Society. 264pp. hardback.
Reviewed in Backtrack,
2017, 31, 765
Livesay, E.H. Scottish locomotive experiences. No. 1 "The Mid-day
Scot", L.M.S.R., London to Glasgow, Engineer, 1939, 168, 232-4.
illus., table.
A Princess Royal at work as observed by a North American.
L.M. Pacifics a pictorial tribute. Hatch End (Middlesex), Roundhouse
Books, 1967. 120 p. incl.. front. 136 illus., table.
Reviewed Rly Wld,
1947, 28, 312.
Macnair, Miles . More frustrations of fuel efficiency. Part One:
Incomplete combustion.
Backtrack, 2022, 36,
633-6.
Notes initial poor steaming and unsuccessful attempt to improve it
with an ill-designed experimment with a double chimney
Nock, O.S. The locomotives of Sir William Stanier. III.
Locomotive Mag., 1958, 64,
131-6. 6 illustrations, 5 tables
Powell, A.J. Living with London Midland
locomotives. 1977
Chapter 9: A trio of high-born ladies: orginally published in Trains
ill., 1958, 11, 231-9: see introduction.
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp. 70-4.
Claas 7P-four-cylinder 4-6-2 'Princess'. This is very different from
the above as it catalogues the many changes introduced in this small class,
whereas Living with London Midland locomotives lists the many defects
encountered in working the locomotives, yet they were so powerful that they
tended to perform well in service.
Sixsmith, Ian. The book of the Princess Royal Pacifics: a British
Railways Illustrated special. Clophill: Irwell Press, 2000. 96pp.
The turbine locomotive (Turbomotive has its own chapter, which includes
a brief reference to Priness Anne). Essentially a picture book which
includes some interesting photographs, but the standard of presentation often
fails to make the most of the pictorial content relating to the locomotive.
The scrappy "bibliography" includes the phrase "and various issues
of all sorts of magazines" presumably compacted in Compactus shelving.
Stanier, W.A. Recent developments in locomotive design.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1936,
26, 553-94 + folding plate. 21 illus., 8 diagrs., (Presidential
Address). .
Makes specific reference (with diagram) to the valve gear (outside)
fitted to LMS Pacific No. 6203 with its needle pin roller
bearings
Tee, D.F. Notable recent L.M.R. withdrawals. Rly Obsr, 1963,
33, 36-7.
Locomotive "Obituary"
Thorley, W.G.F.. discussion on Tuplin, W.A. Some questions
about the steam locomotive. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs., 1953, 43, 698.(Paper No. 528).
"The first two" Princess" class Pacific locomotives of the former
LMS Railway had 32-element superheaters fitted in place of the original
16-element apparatus after only a short period of service, and the steaming
was improved thereby. Tuplin had said in the discussion that the firebox
volume was increased at the same time as the additional superheating surface
was provided and therefore the value of the latter could not be assessed
accurately, but in this connection it was pointed out that the number of
elements had been increased without increase of firebox volume in both the
Classes 5 MT and 5 XP locomotives of the same railway, as compared with the
original arrangement and the steaming had been improved. The superheater
had the advantage that, provided the flue tubes were kept reasonably clean,
its efficiency remained unimpaired as the boiler scaled up internally; also
it was sometimes able to evaporate water during periods of priming, which
would be carried over into the cylinders of a saturated
engine..
Webber, A.F. The proportions of locomotive
boilers. J. Instn Loco. Engrs.,
1937, 27, 688-725. Disc.: 726-63. (Paper No. 378).
Includes an analysis of the "Princess Royal" design of
boiler.
Wheeler, Geoffrey. Fired by steam.
London: John Murray, 1987.
Includes plate of an attractive side elevation coloured painting of
No. 6201 Princess Elizabeth in LMS red in near original
condition
Names
Brooks, Mike. Naming the first LMS Pacifics,
Railway Wld., 1979, 40,
79.
Negotiations with Royal Household to approve The Princess Royal
theme. Publicity department suggested names from Hiawatha including
Minnehaha. Dominican priory suggested great churchmen
Preservation
No. 46203 Princess Magaret Rose preserved at Butlin's Camp, Pwllheli.
Rly World, 1963, 24,
278.
Photograph by W.S, Sellar
Turbine locomotive ("Turbomotive") 1935:
Most experimental designs have tended to be surrounded by secrecy
(e.g. the Fowler high-pressure locomotive 6170 Fury) and test results
have not been published. Frequently little has published until long after
the locomotive has disappeared. The LMS treated their turbine locomotive
project very differently, however. Firstly, the contemporary descriptions
were detailed and secondly Bond's Paper is, using Holcroft's phrases from
the discussion, "a very full and frank account".
Dr H.L. Guy (later Sir Henry) of Metropolitan
Vickers was associated with the design of the turbines. The locomotive
was based on the Princess Royal design, but two turbines (one for
forward running and a smaller unit for reversing) replaced the reciprocating
engine. Contrary to most turbine experiments a condenser was not fitted.
Bond, in his book made it very clear that the term Turbomotive was
greatly deprecated. Roller bearings were used
on the locomotive.
Under British Railways the locomotive
was rebuilt as a reciprocating engine and named Princess
Anne.
4-6-2 turbine express locomotive, L.M. & S.R.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1935,
41, 202-4. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.).
4-6-2 type turbine locomotive; London, Midland and Scottish Railway.
Engineering, 1935, 140, 10-12.5 illus., diagr. (s. & f.
els.)
The L.M.S.R. turbine locomotive: details of the roller bearing axleboxes.
Rly Gaz. 1935, 63, 197-8. illus.
The L.M.S. turbine locomotive. Engineer, 1935, 160, 12; 14-16.7
illus., 4 diagr. (incl. s. & f. els.)
Erratum p. 256.
NEW turbine-driven 4-6-2 express locomotilie, L.M.S.R. Rly Gaz., 1935,
62, 1251-60 + folding plate. 15 illus., 9 diagrs. (incl. s.
& f. els.)
A REMARKABLE L.M.S.R. locomotive: No. 6202 a turbine propelled Pacific.
Rly Mag., 1935, 77, 87-8; 108. 2 illus., digar. (s. el.).
Tapered roller bearings L.M.S. 4-6-2 "Turbomotive" No. 6202.
Locomotive
Mag., 1944, 50, 139. illustration
British Timken Ltd: noted that still in perfect condition and cited
Cox's Paper on
axleboxes
Tapered roller bearings on the L.M.S.R. Turbomotive: absence of wear after
250,000 miles in service. Rly Gaz., 1944, 81, 282. 2 illus.
Taper-roller bearings of the L.M.S.R. turbine locomotive.
Engineering, 1944, 158, 128; 130.4 illus.
Timken hearings on the London, Midland and Scottish Railway turbine
locomotive. Engineering, 1935,140, 524-6; 552-3. 6 illus.,
9 diagrs.
Trial Running
London, Midland & Scottish Railway.
Locomotive Mag., !936, 42,
169
On May 4 dynamometer car trials were commenced between Euston and
Glasgow and vice versa of the experimental turbomotive engine No. 6202. For
these trials, which were expected to afford valuable comparative data as
to the relative performances of the turbine-driven and the orthodox Pacific
engines of similar boiler capacity, the 10.0 a.rn . up and down Royal
Scot trains were utilised in both directions, with loads of between 475
and 560 tons over different stages of the through journey.
On the second day of the trials No. 6202 took a load of 500 tons tare from
Symington to Carlisle (66.9 miles) in 68¼ minutes (58.3 m.p.h.). Southwards
over Beattock Summit (in which direction the ascent is considerably easier
than when travelling north) the minimum speed was 39 m.p.h. on the final
two miles rising at 1 in 99, the maximum subsequently attained being 77½
m.p.h.; the 49¾ miles from Beattock Summit into Carlisle were run in
slightly less than 46 minutes.
Retrospective and critical:
With the exception of some of the footplate commentaries the entries
listed below add little to R.C. Bond's monumental account, which serves to
illustrate the gap that exists between professional and amateur assessments.
To an extent Clements and Robinson have narrowed this gap, but raised other
questions: for instance what did Gresley and Bulleid think about turbine
propulsion and why was the Bond paper not presented in either Newcastle or
Scotland and who assisted Bond in preparing one of the best locomotive papers
ever written?.
Allen, C.J. British Pacific
locomotives.1962.
The section on Stanier Pacifics is based on the same author's The
Stanier Pacifics of the L.M.S. (see below).
Allen, C.J. The Stanier
Pacifics of the L.M.S.. 1950.
Certain of the illustrations and diagrams contained in this work are
not repeated in the later British Pacific locomotives
(above).
Allen, C.J. Lone locomotives. Trains Ann., 1956, 67-79; 82-4.
25 illus.
Baker, Allan C. . It began with
'Turbomotive'. Backtrack, 2012, 26, 637.
The photograph captions are misleading where they refer to the casing
on the left-hand footplate housing the forward turbine. It is the casings
below the footplating that housed the turbines. On the left-hand side where
the forward turbine was located, the circular aperture seen in the casing
is the cover over the main turbine's outer bearing. The author is incorrect
in claiming that the reverse turbine drove via a separate gear train
it did not. There was. however, an additional reduction gear between that
turbine and the main drive chain, the latter serving both turbines. This
was in view of both the smaller power output of this turbine and the lower
speeds required for the locomotive in reverse. There was an interlocking
arrangement to ensure that steam could not be applied to the forward turbine,
once the reverse one was engaged, via the dog-clutch arrangement the author
mentions. Unlike forward running, in reverse drivers were instructed to open
all three of the steam valves and drive the locomotive on the main regulator.
The final drive ratio for the forward turbine was 34.4 to 1 and the reverse
77 to 1. The forward turbine had sixteen stages, a combination of velocity
compounding, impulse and reaction stages while the reverse one was an straight
forward impluse turbine. The reverse turbine gave a lot of trouble in the
engine's early days and there were several failures. Between September 1935
and May the following year several modifications were undertaken and in view
of complaints about the engine's difficulty in, for example, propelling its
empty train out of the platforms at Euston and up Camden bank, its power
output was increased. One can hardly liken the oil provision in the turbine
gear drive casing with the Bulleid Pacifies' inside chain driven Walschaerts
valve gear, as any turbine driving through a gear train will have such an
arrangement, as indeed will any gearbox just like a car! Mention is
made that the boiler produced steam at a maximum of 250psi and a temperature
of 650° This is not strictly correct as the laws of thermodynamics are
such that steam pressure and temperature are directly linked, such that at
250psi the temperature would be 402.6° F. It was the superheater that
increased the temperature. The same laws tell us that it is impossible to
raise the temperature of steam above a predetermined level unless it is removed
from its source water. Likewise, it is impossible to increase its
pressure once it has been removed from its source. Superheaters, while raising
the temperature of steam, will also see a drop in its pressure. With the
later 40 element triple flow superheater, the average temperature when the
engine was working hard was around 680°F.
The term rapidly whirling components in connection with the running gear
is hardly a suitable engineering term and mention that the design of the
engine all but eliminated hammer blow is incorrect. It is the out of balance
forces in the wheel sets when balancing of the reciprocating parts that causes
hammer blow on the track and with no reciprocating parts and therefore none
to balance, this locomotive delivered no hammer blow on the rails at all.
Incidentally, during my apprenticeship at Crewe North MPD I worked with several
fitters who had been involved with the locomotive in one way or another.
I never once heard it referred to as 'The Turbomotive'; they always referred
to its as either 'The Turbine' and just 'The Turbo'. This led me to believe
that the term 'Turbomotive' was one used predominantly in enthusiast, rather
than professional, circles. It was the practice for a fitter to travel with
the engine at all times. There were several reasons for this, not least that
if there were perturbations in the service for whatever reason and the crew
had to be relieved, there was the possibility of untrained men having to
be used. There was also the need to keep the oil circulating pump for the
turbine running after the engine had arrived on the shed to allow for the
oil to cool down. Fitters were not subject to such strict hours of duty as
footplatemen! ,One of the fitters I worked with, Tiggy Brearton (I never
did know his Christian name, but he was always known as Tiggy!), although
a Crewe man where the engine was never allocated, was one of a few men trained
at other depots on the engine's regular route, to be available to cover any
out of course eventualities, annual leave, sickness and the like. He told
me his most outstanding memory was the oil consumption of the forward turbine
and gear case and the need to top it up at the end of each journey and for
this reason a supply of the correct grade of oil was kept on the footplate.
Photographs do exist showing this process being undertaken while the engine
was standing at Euston and Liverpool Lime Street!
Incidentally, the Ljungstrom-type turbine locomotive to which the author
refers operated by the LMS on the Midland main line in 1926-1927 (not 1928
as the author states), was a private venture between the Swedish manufacturer
of the turbine and the Manchester-based locomotive builder Beyer, Peacock
& Co. The LMS did no more than provide on-line testing facilities although
the locomotive did haul revenue-earning trains.
Allan C, Baker Odd Princess
out. Backtrack, 2020, 34, 62.
Notes that Tiggy Breaton was selected to travel with the Turbine
locomotive. Breaton had been a motive power apprentice at Crewe. Baker observes
that Turbomotive was an enthusiasts name not used by railwaymen.
Bond, R.C.
A lifetime with locomotives. Cambridge: Goose, 1975.
As the steaming troubles with the three-cylinder 4-6-0s were overcome
and with the Class 5 4-6-0s and 2-8-0s welcomed everywhere, the early doubts
about the new engines completely disappeared. The Pacifies of which eleven
more, including No. 6202, the turbine locomotive, were built in 1935, were
doing splendid work. The turbine locomotive, often known as the 'Turbomotive',
an abbreviation almost as offensive as 'British Rail', was, I think, the
most successful unconventional steam locomotive ever to run in this country.
I was fortunate to be concerned with its building, which involved many visits
to the Trafford Park Works of Metropolitan-Vickers, who designed and made
the turbines and gear transmission. Sir Henry Guy, who later became the Secretary
of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, was in general charge of the
project. I was much impressed by the high standard of workmanship and later
by the meticulous care which Guy took during discussions in my office, in
probing and analysing the cause of early troubles in service with some of
the turbine and transmission components with which we were unfamiliar. The
turbine locomotive covered nearly half a million miles in revenue earning
service. This might well have been very much more but for long periods out
of service during the war years, when absolute priority for munitions production
made it impossible to undertake repairs to the tur- bines and transmission.
The experience which we gained with 6202 seemed to me of such wide interest
that I wrote a paper for the Institution of Locomotive Engineers giving an
account of the first ten years of service. In 1952 Riddles decided that the
cost of new turbines, which by then were needed, could not be justified.
The decision was therefore taken to rebuild 6202 as a normal four-cylinder
locomotive. I was glad to be able to persuade J.F. Harrison, who was by then
in charge at Derby, to make one or two alterations to the drawings which
certainly enhanced the appearance of this grand engine when she emerged from
Crewe in her new form.
Bond, R.C. Ten years' experience with the L.M.S. 4-6-2 non-condensing
turbine locomotive, No.6202. J. lnstn
Loco. Engrs, 1946, 36, 182-230. Disc.: 231-65 (Paper No.
458).
Every facet is covered in detail from the basis of the design to test
running including some of the difficulties experienced in operating an
unconventional locomotive in service. Pp. 231-3: Sir William Stanier modestly
explained how Dr. Guy of Metropolitan Vickers had approached him indicating
the possible advantages of the Ljunstrom turbine and of how they had visited
Sweden to inspect locomotives of this type. Coal and water consumption see
above or with paper. Long abstract in
Locomotive Mag. 1946, 52, 187-9 and
Editorial (page 177) in same
issue.
Clarke, John. West Coast
engineman: Driver W.T. Starvis of Camden. Steam Wld, 1996 (110).
16-21.
Includes notes on Turbomotive (smooth riding but heavy on coal),
Clay, J.F. and Cliffe,
J. The West Coast Pacifics. London: Ian Allan, 1976. 208pp
Brief account in Chapter 5 entitled "The turbine experiment" which
includes an excellent simplified diagram on page 53 of the location of the
turbine and its drive.
Clements, J. and
Robertson, K. The LMS Turbomotive from evolution to legacy.
Manchester: Crecy Publishing, 2016. 159pp.
Reviewed (very well received) by Phil Atkins in
Backtrack, 2017, 31,
318
Cliffe, Joseph. It began with
'Turbomotive'. Backtrack, 2012, 26, 637.
Writer who knew Stanier when he was chairman of Power Jets Ltd., told
him that he strongly believed that the 'Turbomotive' was the way forward
and he would have built 50 more of them given the chance and reorganised
Crewe Works to deal with the turbine repairs. The steam turbine could take
full advantage of higher pressures and temperatures without the condensation
losses inherent in reciprocating drives and were superior to compounding
and poppet valves in this respect. One secret of the LMS 'Turbomotive' was
in having a 15 stage reaction turbine, with high efficiency over a wide speed
range. Other turbine locomotives had used impulse turbines with a limited
speed range, including the later PRR 6-8-6 locomotive No.6200, which proved
to have a very high steam consumption at low speeds with a Westinghouse 5
stage impulse turbine.
A future 'Turbomotive' would not have had a reverse turbine, the Achilles
heel of turbine locomotives; instead a reversing shaft, with synchronised
splined coupling to engage reverse gear with the main turbine, would have
been adopted. Thus full power in reverse would have been available. This
is similar to that fitted to the later GT3 gas turbine locomotive. Much of
its drive gear was otherwise based on that of No. 6202. Large diameter coupled
wheels are not necessary with a geared turbine drive and no more than 5ft
wheels would suffice as an eight- or ten-coupled locomotive. Additionally
it would have had perfect balancing with no hammer blow.
Cook, A.F. Raising steam
on the LMS: the evolution of LMS locomotive boilers. Huntingdon:
RCTS, 1999. 233pp.
Understandably a considerable amount of effort was required to get
the boiler right for this unusual locomotive.
Cullen, David . It began with 'Turbomotive'.
Backtrack, 2012, 26,
402-6.
Includes Princess Anne and its replacement No. 71000 Duke
of Gloucester
Earl, Lawrence A. Engines I have driven.
Trains Ann., 1948,
81-9.
We used to get the "Turbo" on this trip [the Liverpool turn], and
what a lovely engine she is! Not so much science about the driving,
perhapsturning the valves on and off one by one instead of the careful
adjusting of regulator and cut-off to suit every change of the but
for continuous strength and speed there is not another engine in her class
to touch her. Once in the late 1930's the "Turbo" was tried for a week between
Euston and Glasgow on the "Royal Scot" and Fireman D. Wright and I were the
crew chosen to man her to and from Carlisle. There can't have been much wrong
with his firing, because one day we climbed the 31½ miles from Carlisle
up to the top of Shap Summit, 915 feet above the sea, in no more than 36
minutes, and with a train of 530 tons behind us.
Ellison, J.H. Experimental locomotives. 4 The L.M.S. turbine
driven 4-6-2 locomotive No. 6202. Rly Obsr, 1942, 14, 46-8.
illus., (line drawing: s. el.)
Evans, M. Pacific steam : the British
Pacific locomotive. London, 1961.
Flower, G.J. On the footplate of No. 46202. Rly Mag., 1949,
95, 394-6. illus.
Hillier-Graves, Tim. The Turbomotive Stanier's advanced
Pacific. Pen & Sword, 2017. 206pp. approximately 190 black and while
illustrations, 11 in colour, 20-plus drawings and diagrams.
Reviewed in Backtrack
by ACB, 2027, 31, 765
Jennison, John. A detailed history of the Stanier Pacifies: the
Princess Royals, the 'Turbomotive' and the Coronations locomotives of the
LMS series. Railway Correspondence & Travel Society. 264pp. hardback.
Reviewed in Backtrack,
2017, 31, 765
Langridge, E.A. Under
ten CMEs. 2011. pp. 175-7.
Langridge's involvement in the boiler design which introduced a combustion
chamber.
Livesay, E.H. On the Turbomotive's footplate. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon
Rev., 1940, 46, 118-21. 3 illus.
Both of the above were recorded by passive olservers. Livesay's article
formed part of a series which observed British locomotives at work through
North American eyes.
L.M. Pacifics: a pictorial, tribute. Hatch End (Middlesex), Roundhouse
Books, 1967. 120 p. incl.. front. 136 illus., table.
Reviewed Rly Wld,
1947, 28, 312.
Macnair, Miles . More frustrations of fuel efficiency. Part One:
Incomplete combustion.
Backtrack, 2022, 36,
633-6.
Notes that low exhaust pressue and its lack of pulsation led to the
use of a double chimney with 5½ inch exhaust nozzles.
Odd 'Princess' out [turbine
locomotive]. Backtrack. 2019,
33, 667-9.
Black & white photo-feature of Turbomotive No. 6702 and its brief
replacement as No. 46202 Priness Anne caption notes how former emitted
a singing sound leading to the nickname Gracie Fields
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp: 75-9.
Chapter entitled Class 7P-turbine-driven 4-6-2: This includes 46202
Princess Anne.
Ransome-Wallis, P. Unconventional forms of motive power in:,
Ransome-Wallis, P. The concise
encyclopaedia of world railway locomotives. 1959.
Pp. 461-77 (Chap. 9): Includes the "Turbomotive".
Stanier, W.A. The position of the locomotive in mechanical engineering.
Proc. Instn mech. Engrs,
1941, 146, 50-61 + 4 plates. 13 illus., diagr., 3 tables.
(Presidential Address).
Gives details of dynamometer car test beteen Euston and
Glasgow.
Stanier, W.A. Recent developments in locomotive design.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1936,
26, 553-94 + folding plate. 21 illus., 8 diagrs., (Presidential
Address). .
Uses the term Turbomotive in the paper which he was alleged
"not to like".
Stanier, W.A. [Discussion on]
Webber, A.F. Paper No. 378). The proportions of locomotive boilers.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1937, 27, 688-725. Disc.: 726-63.
"The Author [Webber] has referred to smokebox vacuum. It may be of
interest to mention that the vacuum in the smokebox of the L.M.S. turbine
locomotive with one nozzle open is just over 1 in. of water, and with two
nozzles it is 2 in., so that with the maximum number of nozzles open it is
6 in.. The engine steams quite well on the fast trains between
Liverpool and Euston of something like 500 tons weight. It seems to me that
that is a comparatively low vacuum in the smokebox for a big boiler, when
account is taken of the vacuum which the French engines are obtaining with
the Kylchap blast pipe, and one of the investigations which I think that
every locomotive superintendent within my memory has carried out is an
investigation to endeavour to improve the vacuum in the smakebax withaut
increasing, and in fact decreasing, the back pressure in the
cylinders.
Stanier, W.A. Discussion on Dymond, A.W.J. Operating experience with
two gas turbine locomotives. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs., 1953, 43, 292-3. (Paper No. 521)
A point of interest was that the Western Region seemed to be able
to arrange, when they had experimental units, to confine the working of them
to a comparatively small number of men. On the LMS there had been a steam
turbine locomotive, and, although he had asked the operating side to keep
it to two or three sets of men, it had in fact been worked by twenty in turn.
It was impossible to run an experimental engine in that way, and he thought
that the Western Region were very fortunate in that respect.
Tufnell, Robert Prototype
locomotives. Newton Abbot: David & Charles, 1985. 112pp.
Chapter 7: No. 6202 was thermally a sucess story.
Waterhouse, E.S.. A footplate
ride on L.M.S.R. turbine engine No. 6202. . Rly. Mag., 1943,
89, 303-4.
"no sharp beat of the exhaust, just a hum to break the silence as
we glided out". Describes trip from Euston to Liverpool and a return on
streamliner 6243 City of Lancaster: thought return journey much
dirtier.
7P: later (8P) "Princess Coronation": 1937-:
There seems to be some confusion as to the correct nomenclature for
this class variously referred to as the Princess Coronation,
Coronation, Coronation Scot,
Duchess and City class. If the A4 class may be considered as
the ultimate development of the steam locomotive in terms of speed, then
this class marks the British apex in terms of power output. During tests
with a 600-ton train a drawbar horsepower of 2,511 was recorded, or a derived
figure of 3,333 horsepower at the cylinders. Further, for a brief period
Coronation held the British speed record of 114 mile/h. The story
of this high speed run is told with great gusto in
R.A. Riddles' paper and rather more cautiously by C.J.
Allen on a number of occasions.
Some of the locomotives were built with streamlined casings. The aerodynamic
studies, which led up to the design used, have been described in
.W. Peacock's "Railway wind tunnel work". The streamlined
engines were painted in a livery of royal blue, with silver horizontal stripes
which met at a point on the smokebox. Later this was changed to LMS red with
gold bands (a magnificent apparition)..
Some very extensive contemporary descriptions were published, but it should
be noted that a proportion of this material may refer to the special rolling
stock for the Coronation Scot train.
One locomotive was shipped to the United States for the New York World's
Fair. This is described by R.A. Riddles and by
F.C. Bishop. The former was in charge of the arrangements,
whilst the latter was the engine driver who accompanied the locomotive and
caught pneumonia.
Streamlined series
The "CORONATION Scot" Express. L.M.S. Railway. Engineering, 1937,
143, 663-5. 2 illustrations, 2 diagrams. (including side & front
elevations), plan.
The accent is on the rolling stock for the train.
The CORONATION Scot, L.M.S.R. Rly Gaz., 1937, 66, 1019-30 +
folding plate. 19 illustrations, 4 diagrs. (incl. s. el.), 2 plans.
Includes sectionalized diagrams.
The CORONATION Scot, L.M.S.R., Rly Mag., 1937, 81, 39-42. 4
illustrations.
4-6-2 stream-lined express locomotive "Coronation", L.M.S.R.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1937,
43, 168-73 + plate. - illustration, diagr. (s. & f. els.)
4-6-2 type "Coronation" class locomotive; London, Midland and Scottish Railway.
Engineering, 1937, 144, 8; 70-2 + plate (between pp.8
& 9). 5 diagrs., table, 2 plans.
Includes sectionalized diagrams.
4-6-2 type locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1938, 69, 248-9.
2 illustrations, 2 diagrs. (s.els.)
Comparison of streamlined and non-streamlined types.
London, Midland & Scottish Railway.
Locomotive Mag., 1938, 44,
231.
Announces that streamlined series almost complete, that first two
non-streamlined into service and suggests that No. 6229 Duchess of Hamilton
might be finished in blue for American tour
MACHINING a locomotive detail : milling and boring operations on roller bearing
rocker arms for valve motion of L.M.S.R. "Princess Coronation" locomotives.
Rly Gaz., 1938, 69, 328-30. 4 illustrations, diagr.
The METALLURGY of a high-speed locomotive. Rly Gaz., 1938, 68,
303-11; 366-70 + folding plate. 8 illus., 11 diagrams., 4 tables,
plan.
Reprinted as pamphlet reviewed in
Locomotive Mag., 1938,
44, 163
NEW 4-6-2 type express locomotives, L.M.S.R.: streamlined and non-streamlined
types based on the successful "Princess Coronation" class. Rly Gaz.,
1938, 68, 1118-19. 2 illus.
NEW L.MS. "Coronation" locomotives. Engineer, 1937, 164, 78-80
+ supplement. illus., 5 diagrs. (incl. s. el.), plan.
Includes sectionalized diagrams.
Sounds of Coronation Scot. BBC archives. See REB 30
M. Railway Wld, 1969,
30, 228.
TENDER of L.M.S. "Coronation" class locomotive. Engineer, 1939,
168, 466. 3 diagrams, plan.
The steam coal-pushers fitted to this class were a unique feature
in the British Isles.
Valkoinen, Christopher.
Railways: a history in drawings. Thames & Hudson: NRM. 2021
Makes much of one of NRM's
prime exhibits and includes a coloured (blue & silver) front elevation
to show position for stripes: Derby draughted: signed W.A. Stanier 4 May
1938
1938 non-streamlined series.
4-6-2 type locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1938, 69. 248-9.
2 illustrations, 2 diagrams. (side elevations)
General and front end views of new non-streamlined 4-6-2 type express locomotive,
L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1938, 68, 1203. 2 illustrations.
New 4-6-2 express locos., L.M.S.R..
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon
Rev., 1938, 44, 234.
illustration., diagram (side & front elevations)
Notes that No. 6234 to be fitted with steamlined port passages between
steam chest and cylinders, hopper ashpan and deep firegrate
New 4-6-2 type express locomotives, L.M.S.R.: streamlined and non-streamlined
types based on the successful "Princess Coronation" class. Rly Gaz.,
1938, 68, 1118-19. 2 illustrations
New 4-6-2 type express passenger locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Mag.,
1938, 83, 141-2; 101. 2 illustrations
SECTIONED perspective view of locomotive front end a notable drawing of L.M.S.R.
class "7P" 4-6-2 locomotive of the latest type. Rly Gaz., 1945,
82, 596 + folding plate. illustration, diagram.
The type of illustrative material more usually associated with motor-cars
and aircraft.
1939: Locomotive and train sent to the New York World's
Fair.
See also R.A. Riddles and
F.C. Bishop
"The CORONATION Scot" [for the] New York World's Fair, 1939.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1939,
45, 35-9. 7 illustrations, plan.
DEPARTURE of the Coronation Scot train for America. Rly Gaz., 1939,
70, 191.
GOODWILL whistle for the Coronation Scot train. Rly Mag., 1939,
84, 232.
Model Railroader presented an engraved American
whistle for use on the tour.
NEW Coronation Scot train for U.S.A. visit. Rly Gaz., 1939, 70,
51-8.10 illus., diagr. (s.el.), plan.
Essery, R.J. and Harris,
N. LMS reflections: a collection of photographs from the Hulton Picture
Company. 1986.
Contains several pictures of locomotive "6220" with bell and headlight
and of Driver F.C. Bishop and Fireman J. McKinnon Carswell whilst on exhibition
at Euston prior to trip (page 55). There are also several pictures of locomotive
being loaded onto vessel, and some of it in USA.
6235 series
No. 6235 Ciity of Birmingham was streamlined. No. 6252 City of
Leicester was non-streamlined (except for tender) and illustrated in
Locomotive Mag., 1944, 50,
178 as concluding batch 6249-52.
Performance and testing
29 June 1937:
High speed run from London to Crewe and back:114 mile/h near Crewe.
See also R.A. Riddles .
Allen, C.J. The new L.M.S. and L.N.E.speed records: trial runs of
the Coronation Scot and the Coronation. Rly Mag., 1937, 81,
110-16 +. 2 illus., 2 diagrs., 6 tables.
RECORD trial run of the "Coronation Scot" train, LM. & S.R..
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1937,
43, 202-3. illus.
TEST runs of "Coronation trains. Engineer, 1937, 164, 39-41.4
illus., 4 tables.
Essery, R.J. and Harris,
N. LMS reflections: a collection of photographs from the Hulton Picture
Company. 1986.
Contains several interesting pictures: notably on page 32 of
Stanier congratulating Driver T.J. Clarke and Fireman J. Lew on their
return to Euston.
1938 : The L.M.S. ran a special light train
from Euston to Glasgow on 8 June 1938
for the Locomotive Engineers. The dynamometer car was attached and the whole
run was analysed by Cox. The locomotive was 6225 Duchess of
Gloucester.
Cox, E.S. Run to Glasgow, June 8th.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1938, 28, 574-81
6 February 1939 : 600-ton test train:
Crewe to Glasgow and back in the same day with . 6234 Duchess of
Abercorn.
LOCOMOTIVE tests on the L.M.S.R. remarkable power output and other results
obtained with a 600 ton train between Crewe and Glasgow and return. Rly
Gaz., 1939, 70, 615-17 + folding plate. 2 diagrs. (incl.
s. els.) 2 tables.
The L.M.S.R. locomotive test runs: a comment on the coal and water consumption.
Rly. Gaz., 1939, 70, 687.
The L.M.S.R. locomotive test runs : a correspondent comments on the relation
ship between coal consumption lb. per d.b.h.p./hr. and train load for a given
timing. Rly Gaz., 1939, 70, 815-16. 2 diagrs.
1946: Post-War series: non-streamlined: gap in front of outside
cylinders
L.M.S. No.6254 "City of Stoke-on-Trent".
Loco. Rly Carr.Wagon Rev., 1946, 52, 146. illus., diagr.
(s. & f. els.)
1948 : British Railways inter-Regional trials.
Allen, C.J. The locomotive
exchanges, 1870-1948. . [1950].
This edition includes an analysis of the unpublished British Railways
official results.
Carling, D.R. in
Peter Towned. LNER
Pacifics remembered. Chapter 8.
Notes that Duchess went through Peterborough at 50 mile/h when running
southbound, but that he had left train at Grantham
1955 : 46225 Duchess of Gloucester was tested at Rugby and
on the Ais Gill route. Results do not appear to have been published except
via communications from R.C. Bond to O.S. Nock.
Nock, O.S. British locomotive practice and performance. Rly Mag.,
1959, 105, 114-20. 6 tables.
Some very brief results and a comparison with the 1939 test
run.
Nock, O.S. British locomotive practice and performance. Rly Mag..
1962, 108, 556-62. 9 tables.
A table compiled from the dynamometer car diagrams of a southbound
test run on the Ais Gill route with a 900-ton (equivalent) test train.
May 1955: 46237 City of Bristol was sent to the Western Region for
comparative tests with the modernized King class. Nock's record is
of one dynamometer run on which he was permitted to travel.
Clay and Cliffe also mention these trials.
A "DUCHESS" on the W.R.. Trains ill., 1955, 8, 223.
A record of the event and nothing more.
Nock, O.S. British locomotive practice and performance. Rly
Mag., 1959. 105, 335-41+. 4 tables.
Nock, O.S. The "Cornish Riviera" trials.
Rly Wld, 1955, 16,
145.
7P (later 8P) "Princess Coronation" 1947: Ivatt
Ivatt modified this Stanier design by the addition of roller bearings,
rocking grates, an increase in superheating surface, self cleaning smokeboxes
and a new frame arrangement at the rear end. Two locomotives of this type
were built: one of which No. 46256 was named Sir William Stanier, F.R.S.
and thr other 46257 City of Salford. One of the more interesting aspects
of these two locomotives is that they were constructed to act as comparative
motive power for the two diesel electric locomotives Nos. 10000 and 10001.
KPJ seemed to have failed to identify any contemporary accounts either of
the initial performance of these locomotives which is mentioned by Norman
Harvey in Rly Wld, 1956,
17, 309; or on the actual naming ceremonies of either locomotive.
Philip Atkins (Some thoughts on the
proposed LMS 4-6-4) LMS Journal, 2009 (25) 78-80. notes that No.
6257 weighed 112.5 tons.
LONDON, Midland and Scottish Railway: diesel-electric locomotive No. 10,000
and 4-6-2 locomotive No. 6256. J. Stephenson Loco. Soc., 1948,
24, 18-19. 2 illustrations.
Originally the two Pacifics and the two diesel electrics No. 10000
and 10001 were perceived as being in "competition".
L.M.S.R. 4-6-2 "Coronation type locomotive "Sir William A. Stanier, F.R.S.".
Rly Gaz., 1948, 88, 20. illustration, diagram (side
elevation)
L.M.S. 4-6-2 engine No. 6256 "Sir William Stanier, F.R.S.".
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1948,
54, 24. illustration
L.M.S. 4-6-2 engine No. 6256 Sir William Stanier, F.R.S. Railways,
1948, 9, 57. illustration
NEW British steam locomotive designs. Trains ill., 1948, 1,
(9), 3-7. 6 illustrations., table.
ROLLER bearing crankaxle. Loco. Rly
Carr. Wagon Rev., 1948, 54, 124. diagram
ROLLER bearings for locomotive crank axles. Rly Gaz., 1948, 89,
240-1. illustration, diagram. (REA 3026)
Accidents
Several of the class experienced severe boiler explosions, mainly
due to the failure of footplate crews to keep the firebox crown covered:
see Bond Lifetime with locomotives, Hewison and Webb.
Performance (general)
Ransome-Wallis, P. On railways
at home an abroad. London: Batchworth, 1951. 300 pp. + plates. 102
illus., maps.
Pp. 93-103: Footplate observations made on No. 6256 Sir William
Stanier, F.R.S. between London Euston and Carlisle on the down Mid-Day
Scot.
Retrospective and critical
Powell notes that Stanier had to produce a bigger boiler and then adapt the 'Princess' chassis to carry it. Bigger grate, bigger firebox volume, bigger free gas area, bigger barrel, bigger superheater all these were incorporated in that delightful boiler. It was pushed upward so that the front corners of the Belpaire firebox were up to the limit of the loading gauge, just enabling 6ft 9in wheels to be accommodated underneath it. (Incidentally, what was it so magical about 6ft 9in diameter coupled wheels for express passenger engines in this country?). The cylinder layout was altered back to a conventional one, but retaining the divided drive, thus enabling rocking levers to be fitted behind the cylinders and avoiding valve setting troubles due to thermal expansion. It enabled the steam and exhaust passages to be better steamlined internally, and the crew's access for preparation between the frames to be made more congenial. The reference by Langridge in a relatively obscure publication is especially important as it outlines the way in which the class was designed.
Allen, C.J.
British Pacific locomotives.1962.
Allen, C.J. The Stanier
Pacifics of the L.M.S.. 1950.
The text of the later work by C.J. Allen where relating to the Stanier
Pacifics is a slightly up-dated version of the earlier work. The diagrams
in the earlier work are not repeated, however.
Atkins, Philip. New boilers
for old... Steamwld, 2003, (194) 8-14.
Some locomotives were built with secondhand boilers and a few classes
were built around secondhand boilers, Duchess Pacifics 6245/7-8 were
constructed in 1943 with secondhand boilers.
Atkins, Philip. Odious comparisons.
Steam Wld, 2015, (335),
8-14
Average of 333 miles per working day during period 1950-8: highest
of 8P classes on BR
Bishop, F.C. Queen Mary of the iron
road, as told to M.C.D.Wilson and A.S.L. Robinson. 1946.
A "ghosted" autobiography of Driver Bishop, the driver who accompanied
the Coronation Scot to the New York World's Fair.
Blakemore, Michael and Michael
Rutherford. Duchess of Hamilton: ultimate in Pacific power.
Although superficially about one locomotive this work describes the
whole class. Some of the illustrations are unusual: notably the poster Crewe
Works by Rethi showing a streamlined (blue) locomotive under construction
and an architect's impression of a maroon streamlined Pacific on the rollers
at the Rugby Testing Plant and a proposed streamlined version of the
Princess Royal type.
Bolton, John. The derfinitive 'Duchess' [letter].
Modellers Backtrack, 1993/4,
3, 278
Writer had worked in Crewe Works and had encountered Arthur Edleston
at Derby who had sketched out a non-streamlined Duchess and called it Lady
Godiva.
Bond, R.C. Lifetime with
locomotives. 1975. p. 136
Comment on the state of No. 6224 following the boiler explosion on
10 September 1940 in which the streamlined doors were blown forward of the
train and the tender was as if had been sandblasted.
Bond, R.C. Organisation
and control of locomotive repairs on British Railways. J. Instn Loco.
Engrs, 1953, 43, 175. 216-65. (Paper No. 520).
Includes figures for the mileage obtained between overhauls for the
class: 73,188.
Bond, R.C. Ten years' experience
with the L.M.S. 4-6-2 non-condensing turbine locomotive No.6202. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs, 1946, 36, 182-265. (Paper No. 458).
Page 187 : the author quotes hammer blow figures for the Duchess
class: at 72 mile/h 3.47 tons per rail (whole engine: .24)..
Bradley, D.L. Locomotives of
the Southern Railway. Part 2. RCTS, 1975.
Quotes locomotive repair costs per mile (excluding boiler) 3.85p and
boiler repair costs (1.12p) and coal consumption per train mile (43.9 lb)
for 1955. Original source not quoted.
Broadbent, William Benedict as told via Edward
Talbot. The road to Holyhead. Part Two.
Backtrack, 2011, 25,
598-603.
Broadbent had the unpleasant task of interviewing the driver of a
Duchess Pacific which had slipped so badly at Lichfield that the rails had
to be replaced. Broadbent considered that priming had made the regulator
impossible to close.
Bulleid, O.V.S. Railway rolling stock and tendencies in design.
Engineering, 1949, 167, 68-71; 94-5; 60. 13 illus., 4 diagrs.
(s. els.), 5 tables.
Includes a comparison of the 1947 design with the Peppercorn A2, Gresley
Al and H.A. Ivan's Atlantics.
Cameron, K.R.M. via Rogers,
H.C.B. Thompson & Peppercorn. 1979. p. 52 and 150
Although an LMS man Cameron could see little difference between the
Duchess class and the A4 or Peppercorn A1 classes, but he did note that when
a West Coast sleeping car train was diverted over the Waverley route the
St Margaret's driver found the Duchess a wonderful locomotive to drive...
Clarke, John. West
Coast engineman: Driver W.T. Starvis of Camden. Steam Wld, 1996
(110). 16-21.
Notes rough riding of No. 6257 and sparks seen coming from bogie
when travelling at speed
Clay, J.F. The big red engines. J.Stephenson Loco. Soc.,
1961, 37, 358-64. 4 illus.
Clay, J.F.
and Cliffe, J. The West Coast Pacifics. London: Ian
Allan, 1976. 208pp
Useful summary of Duchess locomotive performance both on the West
Coast route and on other routes, especially during the Locomotive exchanges
of 1948. Includes brief mention of the loan of 46237 City of Bristol
to the Western Region in May 1955 and very bare deetails of further loans
in January 1956.
Cook, A.F. Raising steam
on the LMS: the evolution of LMS locomotive boilers. Huntingdon:
RCTS, 1999. 233pp.
The Duchess (Coronation) class boilers were superb producers of steam
and led to some of the highest power outputs attained in Britain. Cook also
notes the high number (three) of boiler explosions associated with the class
which can be attributed partly to the lack of training given to those expected
to handle such large locomotives and partly to detail: the water gauges were
greatly inferior to those used on the LNER. KPJ suspects that the class was
also prone to blow-backs, but has no statistical evidence. Table 50 (page
217) quotes the cost of classified boiler repairs on a comparitive basis
in pence per mile: 2.7 pence/mile for a Duchess as against 0.8 for an A4
and 0.6 for a Merchant Navy..
Cox, E.S. Chronicles of
steam. 1967.
Increased steam temperature was also proposed, a maximum of 750 F
being the goal instead of the 600-620 F. then usual. It was intended to achieve
this by use of the French 'Houlet' superheater, in which a special arrangement
of the elements permitted twice the superheater heating surface for a given
cross-sectional area for the passage of steamf and for a given total free
area for the hot gases through the large tubes. A further refinement was
physically to separate the superheated from the saturated parts of the
superheater header in the smoke box so as to minimise heat transfer from
the hotter to the cooler steam. Finally, to counter-balance any loss of capacity
in the sheer ability to boil water which these arrangements might incur,
and to boost the evaporative capacity of the boiler, thermic syphons in the
firebox were suggested. On the basis of this study serious proposals were
initiated, and actually authorised in 1939 for two experimental 'Coronation'
4-6-2 engines to be built, identical in outwards appearance with the existing
engines but embodying all of the above ideas plus a working pressure of 300
psi, and even further improvement in the proportions of steam ports and passages.
The four cylinders were to be 15in dia. x 28instroke, and a steel firebox
was to be provided for the accommodation of the thermic syphons. It is to
be noted at this stage that all of these improvements were aimed in the direction
of thermal efficiency and power output, and that no changes in mechanical
matters were included.
Crosse, J. Stanier Pacific Trials.
Backtrack, 2010, 24,
147-9.
Mainly about dynamometer car records for Princess type, but also includes
some details of test running with No. 6234 Duchess of Abercorn on
12 and 26 February 1939 between Crewe and Glasgow and return with 600 ton
trains (for latter when equipped with a double chimney see also Allen pp.
140 et seq)
Doherty, Douglas The LMS Duchesses.
Hemel Hempstead: Model and Allied Publications, 1973. 89pp + folding
diagram.
Contents: Introduction by editor; The LMS Duchesses their design
and construction by E.A. Langridge; The LMS Duchesses a performance
evaluation by John Powell; The LMS Duchesses a driver reminisces by
Peter Johnson; The LMS Duchesses a critical appreciation by W.A. Tuplin.
General arrangement diagrams, numbers, names, etc, poorly printed
photographs.
The DUCHESSESvalete. Rly Obsr, 1964, 34, 340-4. table.
Dunn, J.M. Reflections
of a railway career. 1966.
A few days after this I had a conversation with Daniel Drury, one
of the Crewe locomotive inspectors, who told me of his experiences with the
L.M.S. Pacific No. 46236 City of Bradford on the G.W.R. during the
Locomotive Exchange Trials of 1948 and what he said corroborated a good deal
of what my Paddington friend had told me the previous week. He said he was
with No. 46236 all the time she was on the G.W. and that when he arrived
at Old Oak Common from Camden on the first day of the test week, the G.W.
man in charge of the dynamometer car asked how much coal he wanted put on
the tender. Drury said he thought for a moment and replied 3 tons 10 cwt.
whereupon "G.W." asked if he knew how far he was going and what his load
was to be. Drury answered that he knew both and that he also knew what his
engine would do. To this "G.W." replied "Well, you may know your engine but
I know my railway and I am not going to risk you running short of coal and
blocking the line"! At that Drury walked away and before they left Old Oak
Common for Paddington he found that 5 tons 14 cwt. had been put on the tender.
The distance from Paddington to Plymouth was 225½ miles and the load
500 tons to Newton Abbot and 375 tons forward to Plymouth. When they arrived
there "G.W." came to the engine to see how much coal was left on the tender
and when the bags were counted there was 1 ton 17 cwt. "G W." then held out
his hand to Drury, said it was an outstanding performance and that he would
take back all he had said. No. 46236 had burned 3 tons 17 cwt. of Kirkby
(Yorkshire) coal. Evans, M. Pacific
steam : the British Pacific locomotive. London, 1961.
Ellis, Hamilton. London Midland &
Scottish: a railway in retrspect. London: Ian Allan, 1970. pp.
146-7.
"Before going to India, Stanier had laid down the general design of
an improved Pacific type locomotive for the regular high-speed Anglo- Scottish
services to come, and the final design had been worked out by and under T.
F. Coleman. Boiler dimensions showed a marked increase on those of the
Princesses; though the distance between tube-plates remained the same, at
19 ft 3in. Heating surfaces rose from 1,272 to 1,545 sq ft (small tubes),
from 825 to 1,032 sq ft (flues), from 217 to 230 sq ft (firebox), from 653
to 830 sq ft (superheating), giving a combined heating surface of 3,637 sq
ft, an increase of 670 sq ft over that of a Princess with the later boiler.
Grate area was up from 45 to 50 sq ft. Working pressure in both was 250lb
per sq in.
There was a ring from Swindon in the coupled wheels' diameter, which was
up to 6ft 9in. Important improvements were in the front-end which was designed
on a very liberal plan for the free flow of steam (internal streamlining
was the gimmick word of the time, and was not inapt for the steampipes and
exhaust passages. The piston valves were increased from 8in to 9in diameter.
Design of the exhaust ports resulted in a very marked reduction of resistance
to steam flow, as much 23-37 per cent. Much was owed to the work of André
Chapelon in France, as Stanier himself freely recorded. Another Great Western
feature resuscitated, though inside-out, was the use of two sets of
Walschaert [sic] gear to work the four sets of valves. The outside cylinders
were now ahead of the second bogie axle instead of directly above it. A good
deal of care had been taken with the design of that bogie, not least in the
control of sideplay. The flanges were made larger and tighter as to clearance
between wheel and rail. Swindon practice in leading bogies, often archaic
in earlier Great Western days, owed almost everything to Alfred George de
Glehn, that Baltic-Scot generally regarded as a Frenchman, who was improbably
born in Sydenham, Surrey. Churchward at Swindon, having purchased a de Glehn-du
Bousquet compound Atlantic engine (La France) had initiated her English career
by carrying out a complete dismemberment of her to see what made her go.
The result, on the LMS was an extraordinarily steady engine at very high
speeds. Careful attention had been given to the design of the trai1ing-axle
arrangement, again with thicker flanges, and to the design and dimensions
of the axle boxes. Lateral oscillation at high speed was the enemy, as it
had been from such long-ago bitter experience with Stephenson "long boilers"
in the late 'forties and Crampton's 4-4-0 bogie engines on the London Chatham
.and Dover in the 'sixties, inter alia pessima. Already there was
the Indian row about this very thing on the Indian State Pacific locomotives;
following the issue of the first Report m the summer of 1937, there was a
frightful smash (July 17) at Bihta on the East Indian Railway, a derailment
on straight road with a deathroll exceeding 100. In 1938, following this,
Stanier was again in India, on an independent Committee ofInquiry (English,
French and.Indian) appointed under Indian Government. Vernacular newspapers,
incidentally, were fond of blaming the diabolical Government, whose
object was supposed to be the annihilation of as many of the Indian poor
as possible at the trifling expense of damage to Pacific locomotives and
expendable gim-crack carriages. India's sorrows, however, must be passed
by."
Hamilton Ellis did not like the streamlining or the art deco style of the
trai's interior and wrote at length on the riotous arrival at Crewe of the
press run (on which he had not travelled.
Fore, J. Footplate
impressions. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1955, 45, 31 7-21. (Paper
No. 546).
The experience was gained by a graduate apprentice when firing and
observing driving techniques on a number of classes including the LMS
Pacifics.
While the earlier engines [Princess Royal] are still capable of heavy work,
the ease with which the later series tackle the heaviest duties is very
impressive. The steaming of the Coronations is so good that almost
any method of firing will produce the desired result. Greater care, however,
is required to maintain boiler pressure on the Princess Royals.
The fire must be kept thinner than is usual on the later engines. It is notable
how much easier the wide grates on these engines are to fire than the narrow
fireboxes of other locomotives when working hard. A feature of the wide gate
is that as much as two-thirds of the coal fired needs to be placed in and
around the back corners of the firebox. The riding of both series of locomotives
is very good indeed at all speeds and much superior to types without a radial
truck under the footplate, the contrast being particularly marked when the
engines are becoming due for works repair.
Hall, Stanley. Railway milestones and
millstones: triumphs and disasters in British railway history. 2006.
Milestone: "the 'Duchesses' were a huge success":
Hewison, Christian H. Locomotive boiler
explosions. Newton Abbot: David & Charles, 1983.
Noting the severe boiler explosion at Lamington on 7 March 1948 due
to a defective water gauge: "On the whole the suitability of the LMS design
was most questionable". Also considers serious accident on 10 September 1940
when No. 6224 suffered a collapse ofv the direbox crown due to the inexperience
of the footplate crew (who died at or following the exoplosion) just beyond
Craigenhill summit: J.L.M. Moore wsa the accident inspector.
Huntriss, Derek The colour of steam: Volume 6. The
LMS Pacifics. Atlantic Transport Publishers. 48pp
Claims to illustrate each member of the class in colour
Jenkins, Terry. Sir Ernest
Lemon. 2011. pp. 108-10
Lemon's private papers show his response to the precipitate arrival
at Crewe on the press run.
The author limited his approach to externals, especially liveries.
Further he admits any uncertainties in his knowledge. A much fuller account
appeared in Modellers' Backtrack (still to be indexed).
Jenkinson, D. The "Coronation" Pacifics. Rly Wld, 1966,
27, 146-51; 188-92. 21 illus., 4 tables.
Jenkinson, David. The definitive 'Duchess'. Part 1.
Modellers' Backtrack, 1993,
3, 172-86.
Includes model making drawings by Russell Carter, LMS official general
arrangement drawings (side elevations, sections and plan) and many photographs
which depict detail from many angles (including above and from the front
and there is an especially good illlustration from the rear of ther streamlined
tender fitted to No. 6225 at Perth in 1939). Part 1 is devoted to the streamlined
locomotives and the original non-streamlined engines without smoke deflectors
and with single chimneys. Details of liveries carried, de-streamlining and
fitting with double chimneys are tabulated.
Jenkinson, David. The definitive Duchess. Part Two. (drawings by Russell
Carter). Modellers' Backtrack,
1993/4, 3, 243-56.
Mainly prototype: post WW2 developments. 3 side elevations (plus relevant
front and rear) (3.5mm=1ft). Table lists dates when de-streamlined/or built,
when fitted with double chimney; smoke deflectors; smokebox restored to normal;
original livery; and date scrapped. Another tabulates the various "BR" liveries
carried. There are several colour illustrations including one in BR blue
and many in BR Midland red.
Jennison, John. A detailed history of the Stanier Pacifies: the
Princess Royals, the 'Turbomotive' and the Coronations locomotives of the
LMS series. Railway Correspondence & Travel Society. 264pp. hardback.
Reviewed in Backtrack,
2017, 31, 765
Johnson, Martin. An introduction
to steam locomotive testing [letter]. Backtrack, 2009, 23,
702.
Response to series of articles on locomotive testing Notes that indicator
diagrams taken at high speed suffer from overrun.. Considers that multiple
sets of valve gear as fitted to A1 Tornado produce far more even exhaust
beat than any form of derived gear whether as adopted at Swindon for Castles
and Kings, by Stanier on the Duchess class, or by Gresley.
Johnson, Peter. The LMS Duchesses- a driver reminisces in
Doherty.
Writer was driver at Crewe North and describes routine runs northwards
as far as Glasgow, some of which were of mediocre quality due to the condition
of the locomotives in the 1960s. He also describes a run from Shrewsbury
to Paddington on an enthusiast special.
G.M. Kitchenside. The "Coronation Scot" train sets of the L.M.S.
Railway World, 1964,
25, 329-35.
Includes American tour: most of illustrations have appeared
elsewhere
Langridge, E.A. The LMS Duchesses their design and construction
in Doherty.
This is a very important source
as Langridge was a part of the team of draughtsman
who worked under T.F. Coleman at Derby to produce the design. He gave the
names of other members of the team, and the reasons why certain procedures
were adopted, and the influences from other designs.
Langridge, E.A. Under
ten CMEs. 2011. pp. 191 et seq
Claimed to be responsible for in-line cylinder layout (following from
LSWR Drummond Paddleboxes) and for some of the detail in the boiler
design.
Livesay, E.H. Scottish locomotive experiences. No.8 The "Coronation
Scot", L.M.S.R. Glasgow to London. Engineer, 1939, 168, 467-9;
486-7.2 illus., diagr.
Observations made from the footplate, partly comparative with North
American experience.
L.M. Pacifics : a pictorial tribute. Hatch End (Middlesex), Roundhouse
Books, 1967. 120 p. incl. front. 136 illus., table.
Reviewed Rly Wld,
1947, 28, 312.
Mullay, A.J. Streamlined
steam: Britain's 1930s luxury expresses. Newton Abbot : David & Charles,
1994. 128 pp.
Page, A.H.C. The heat treatment of metals in connection with
locomotive and carriage and wagon building.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs., 1939,
29, 199-258. (Paper No. 399)
Includes alloy steels used in the Duchess Pacifics.
Peacock, D.W. Railway
wind tunnel work. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1951, 41, 606-61. (Paper
No.506).
Development work on the streamlining is described, plus details of
smoke deflection work on the non.streamlined series.
Powell, A.J. Living with London Midland
locomotives. 1977
Chapter 9: A trio of high-born ladies: orginally published in Trains
ill., 1958, 11, 231-9.
Powell, John. LMS Duchesses a performance evaluation in
Doherty..
Record of the official tests performed on the locomotives, and records
of locomotive performane as recorded as part of his work, and by others.
Also includes notes on and diagram indicating the way in which the design
could have been extended to give greater power and performance.
Powell, A.J. "45671", pseud. London Midland main lines and
today's locomotive performance. 2. Euston Crewe. Trains ill.,
1961, 14, 291-7.
Theoretical performance is compared with actual running.
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp: 80-7.
Chapter entitled Class 7P-four-cylinder 4-6-2 'Coronation'/'Duchess':
This includes the many, mainly minor, alterations which took place during
the life of the locomotives: this is useful information for modellers. The
most obvious was the removal of streamlining from those locomotives which
were streamlined.
Riddles, R.A. "Coronation Scot" a
railway development. J. Rec. Trans. jr lnstn Engrs, 1947/48,
58, 98-104.
This is an unusual paper in that it is a very personal account of
the author's experiencesduring the 114 mile/h test run and on the North American
trip. It is written in the same informal style as Cox's and Holcroft's books,
but this was published long before the author retired.
Roe, F.G. I saw three Englands. Rly Mag., 1949, 95,
7-12; 81-4. 3 illus. (incl.port.), map.
A retired Canadian engine driver's footplate experiences in
England.
Riemsdijk, J.T. van. The
LMS, T.F. Coleman and locomotives. Backtrack, 11, 106-7
(letter)
See also Michael Rutherford's 'Provocations'
in Volume 10 page 560 et seq, Only part of this letter is reproduced
herein.
A look at the reports of the 1948 locomotive exchanges reminded me that the
coal consumption of City of Bradford was held down by ignoring the
passing times laid down and running gently uphill while racing down
which predictably brought the greatest benefit on the switchback road between
Salisbury and Exeter. In the tabulated information relating to the classes
I found area of the double blast nozzle to be 30.96sq in, whereas the A4
had 39.27. This was made the more extraordinary by the fact that the four
beats of the LMS locomotive each exhausted two cylinder ends, while the six
of the A4 each exhausted rather less (one cylinder end of slightly greater
capacity). No wonder that the boiler steamed, but this surely disposes of
the often-repeated assertion that a 'Duchess' could have equalled
Mallard's speed record if it had had Stoke bank to race upon.
I then noted that the valve events were really rather poor. In going back
to the Hughes improved four cylinder layout, Coleman (if it was he) kept
the straight conjugation levers for driving the inside valves, with the
inevitable result that, owing to connecting rod angularity having opposite
effects inside and outside, it was impossible to arrange for similar events
in the two ends of the cylinders, at normal, shortish, running cut-offs (the
gear settings at which the connecting rod has the greatest influence, via
the combination lever). By setting the valves for equal openings (and therefore
for unequal cut-offs) a neat distribution of power was possible, but the
inherent defect was only really masked by the exceptionally large 12½%
clearance volume and a considerable pressure drop during admission. The A4
has 7.9% clearance and actually, in theory, better valve events, though these
might not be maintained at high mileages. It is to be noted that the rebuilt
'Scot', had 10% clearance and three independent sets of valve gear. Coleman
(or Stanier) deserve more credit for this engine than for the Pacific.
As for Stanier being "the best", this needs to be proved. His difficulties
were not all that great; he was given the money to scrap and build, as Maunsell
and Gresley were not. One can praise or blame the boards of directors for
the results and nobody could say that the LMS measured up better to the
conditions of wartime than the Southern or the LNER. Personally, I regret
that Stanier was not obliged to make more of the fairly new 'Claughtons'
and Hughes 4-6-0s and use the money saved for more big Pacifies, which after
all, were splendid engines and could have been more extended. But their appetite
for coal needed curbing and in this, as in other things, they were like the
semi-streamlined Belgian Type I (also with simple conjugation for the inside
valves). Cross shafts with short levers, or separate inside combination levers,
would have allowed better valve events. Even the GWR cranked levers gave
some improvement, though not enough to justify the 5.5% clearance volume
claimed for the 'Kings', which resulted in some looping of the indicator
diagrams when well notched up at
speed.
Roden, Andrew. The Duchesses: the story of Britain's ultimate steam
locomotives. London: Arum, 2008. 248pp. + 8 col. plates (22 illus.,
some col.)
Mainly concerned with the "preserved"/restored Duchess of Sutherland
which had languished at Butlin's Holiday Camp at Heads of Ayr for many
years, and the other preserved locomotives: Duchess of Hamilton and
City of Birmingham. Written in a journalistic manner with some useful
information on the new railway magnates of the preservation movement such
as Brell Ewart. Pictures are rather poor.
Rogers, H.C.B. Last steam
locomotive engineer: R.A. Riddles, C.B.E. 1970.
On page 85 Rogers states that Riddles devised the means of hinging
the doors of the streamlined locomotives, was rersponsible for the increase
in driving wheel diameter and the Caledonian blue: he also stated that Riddles
stated that the drivers referred to the engine as the 'Butcher's Apron'
Stanier, W.A. The position of the locomotive in mechanical
engineering. Proc. Instn mech.
Engrs, 1941, 146, 50-61 + 4 plates. 13 illus., diagr., 3 tables.
(Presidential Address).
Includes details of test running with dynamometer car: No. 6225 with
light load Euston to Glasgow; Euston to Glasgow and back No. 6220 with
Coronation Scot load and timing and No. 6234 with maximum load Crewe
to Glasgow and return
Stanier, W.A. [Discussion on]
Webber, A.F. Paper No. 378). The proportions of locomotive boilers.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1937, 27, 688-725. Disc.: 726-63.
"As you know, Dr. Wagner indicated the importance of getting in balance
the areas through the small tubes and the areas through the large flue tubes.
On the Pacific" Coronation" engine the area through the small tubes is 3.23
sq. ft. and through the large tubes 3.66 sq. ft., making a total of 6.89
sq., ft.
Talbot, Edward. LMS power The 'Coronation' Class. Gnosall:
author. 108pp.
Reviewed by Michael Blakemore
in Backtrack, 2012, 26, 702 and given five star
treatment.
Tuplin, W.A. The LMS Duchesses a critical appreciation in
Doherty.
Tuplin appears to heve been usurped by Powell in suggesting improvements
to the design and in this case Tuplin adds little: it may be noted that he
appeared to be allergic to streamlining.
Webb, Terry. 'Duchesses'
in distress. Steam Wld, 2005, (215), 20-7.
Accidents in which the class was involved. Notes the very high mileages
achieved by the locomotives and that the majority of the accidents could
not be attributed to the locomotives, although the three firebox failures
might have been avoided given different design or better staff training.
6232 Duchess of Montrose collided with bombing debris at Berkhamsted
on 15 May 1944; 6225 Duchess of Gloucester derailed near Mossend due
to poor track maintenance; 6231 Duchess of Atholl was involved in
a collision at Ecclefechan on 21 July 1945 (drifting smoke was a contributing
factor); 6235 City of Birmingham was involved in another collision
at Lambrigg on 18 May 1947. The three low water/firebox crown serious accidents
involved 6224 Princess Alexandra at Craigenhill on 10 September 1940
and at Lamington on 7 March 1948 and 46238 City of Carlisle at Bletchley
on 24 January 1962 where the design of the LMS water gauge glasses were at
fault. The most serous accident (multiple collision) was that at Harrow &
Wealdstone on 8 October 1952 involved 42642 City of Glasgow and appears
to have been due to driver error
Webb, Terry. No. 46243
City of Lancaster was the last 'Duchess' to be 'de-frocked'. Steam
Wld., 2006 (224) 48-9.
Letter: With the aid of photographs and extract from Trains Illustrated
writer is able to show that 6226 Duchess of Norfolk lasted longer in its
straemlined form than some commentators have suggested and that 46243 City
of Lancaster was the only streamlined LMS Pacific to receive a BR number;
also includes what was probably last photograph od locomotive in streamlined
form
Webber, A.F. The proportions of
locomotive boilers. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1937, 27, 688-726.
(Paper 378).
An analysis on a comparative basis.
Wheeler, Geoffrey. Fired by steam.
London: John Murray, 1987.
Includes plate of an attractive side elevation coloured painting of
No. 6233 Duchess of Sutherland
Young, Albert in P.
Ransome-Wallis. Men of the footplate (1954).
Favourite class to drive, but critical of draughts and dust in cab
of streamlined locomotives.
Liveries:
Le Fleming, H.M.
International locomotives. Plate 86
Painting of No. 6230 in post-WW2 black livery
Names:
[Approval received from Royal family for Coronation Pacific to be named King
George VI]. Loco. Rly Carr.Wagon
Rev., 1941, 47, 140
Brooks, Mike. Naming the first LMS Pacifics,
Railway Wld., 1979, 40,
79.
The name Coronation had been fixed and the srticle shows how
Stanier designed the nameplate including one proposed with a wing shape and
a gold crown (Stanier id not approve of crown fitted to No. 25438). Also
discussions with metallurgists on materials for gold crowns and silver
stripes.
L.M.S.R. No. 6250 City of Lichfield.
Locomotive Mag., 1944,
50, 124
Mayor performed
CITY'S gift to L.M.S. locomotive. Railways, 1947, 8, 177.
illus.
No. 6254 City of Stoke-on-Trent : presentation of City's coat
of arms.
L.M.S. No.6254 "City of Stoke-on-Trent". Loco. Rly Carr.Wagon
Rev., 1946, 52, 146. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.)
Allan C. Baker and Mike G. Fell. No. 6254 City of Stoke-on-Trent.
Backtrack,
2021, 35, 208-14
L.M.S.R. locomotive named "City of Coventry". Rly Gaz., 1945,
83, 579. illus.
L.M.S.R. "City of Leicester" locomotive. Rly Gaz., 1944, 81, 366,
390
Naming ceremony.
L.M.S.R. "City of London" engine. Rly Gaz,, 1943. 79, 81; 115.
illus.
Naming ceremony.
L.M.S.R. locomotive named "City of Manchester". Rly Gaz., 1943,
79, 269.
LM.S.R. locomotive named "City of Sheffield". Rly Gaz., 1944,
81. 503.
L.M.S.R. locomotive named "City of Stoke-on-Trent". Rly Gaz., 1946,
85, 398.
L.M.S.R.streamline Pacific No. 6245 City of London. Rly Mag., 1943,
89, 359. 2 illus.
Naming ceremony.
NAMEPLATES in stainless steel. Rly Gaz., 1945, 82, 606. illus.
No. 6249 City of Sheffield: presentation of nameplates by Firth
Vickers Stainless Steels.
[NAMING ceremony of No.6250 City of Lichfield, at Lichfield]. Rly
Gaz. 1944, 80, 679.
STOKE-ON-TRENT arms for L.M.S.R. locomotive. Rly Gaz., 1947, 87, 506.
illus.
Preservation
No. 6233 Duchess of Sutherland
Derek Cross. Butlins (Ayr) to Bressingham: the road back!
Railway Wld., 1971, 32,
524-7.
The movement of Duchess Pacific No. 6233 Duchess of Sutherland
from Heads of Ayr to Thetford and thence to Bressingham by rail as an
out-of-gauge load hauled by D5355 as far as Carlisle.
Duchess of Hamilton
Ward, D.H. The restoration of Duchess of Hamilton. 1
Rescue from Minehead to Swindon Works.
Rly Wld, 1981, 42,
118-22.
Use was made of the Minehead branch as Somerset County Council considered
the load to be heavy for its roads. Initially British Railways was unable
to accept the locomotive onto the abandoned line, but a rapid inspection
ensured that it could be used.
Bellwood, F.J.. The restoration of Duchess of Hamilton. 2
Restoration to main line running condition.
Rly Wld, 1981, 42,
122-6..
The display beside the sea at Butlin's Minehead had led to considerable
corossion and many parts failing completely or seizing up.
6P (later 7P) British Legion (No. 6170): 1935
The basis for this design was the chassis from the high pressure
locomotive Fury The Schmidt experimental boiler
was replaced by a new Stanier tapered design, which eventually formed the
basis for the type used to rebuild the entire "Royal Scot" class.
The "BRITISH Legion" engine, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1935, 63,
835.2 illus.
The "BRITISH Legion" engine, L.M.S.R.. Rly Mag., 1936, 78,
68. illus.
The LONDON Midland and Scottish Railway locomotive "British Legion".
Engineering, 1935, 140, 532-3. illus.
REBUILT "Royal Scot" locomotive with taper boiler, L.M. & S.
Rly.. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev.,
1935, 41, 374-5. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.)
Retrospective & critical
Allen, C.J. Lone locomotives. Trains Ann., 1956, 67-79; 82-4.
25 illus.
Essery, R.J. and Harris,
N. LMS reflections: a collection of photographs from the Hulton Picture
Company. 1986.
Contains very interesting picture on page 54 of locomotive on
its initial journey on 13 May 1935 at Watford Junction being saluted by local
members of the British Legion (locomotive had been named on previous day
by Lord Jellicoe).
Holt, Geoff. The red Scots.
Modellers Backtrack, 1993, 3,
4-13.
The author's definition extends to the unrebuilt locomotives, plus
the solitary 6170 British Legion. The approach is that of the model
maker who was constructing three 7mm models (two unrebuilt locomotives at
different stages in their existence plus No. 6170 for David Jenkinson). This
article clearly shows (1) how the smokebox extended forward from the frames
and (2) the distinctive outside steam pipes from the cylinders both in their
original and modified forms
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp. 68-9
Whilst it is well-known that 6170 was a unique locomotive, it is common
for it to be treated as part of the Rebuilt Scot story, but Powell does give
it separate treatment.
Tee, D.F. Notable recent L.M.R.withdrawals. Rly Obsr, 1963,
33, 36-7.
Includes No.46170.
6P (later 7P) Rebuilt Scot: 1943: Stanier:
In 1942 Stanier re-boilered two Jubliee class locomotives with
enlarged boilers. This boiler formed the basis for rebuilding
the Royal Scot type. Rebuilding
continued under British Railways and the last unrebuilt Scot survived until
1955 ((Rowledge Engines of the LMS). NB Locomotive Magazine
entry: class to be known as Converted Royal Scot
class
L.M.S. converted "Royal Scot". Engineer, 1943, 176, 254. 2
illus.
L.M.S.R. "Royal Scot". class rebuild. Rly Mag., 1944, 90, 40-1.
2 illus., diagr. (s. el.), 2 tables.
L.M.S.R. "Royal Scot" locomotives with taper boiler. Rly Gaz., 1943,
79, 361. illus., diagr. (s. el.), 2 tables.
L.M.S.R.: the rebuilt "Royal Scot" locomotive Railways, 1943,
4, 168-9. illus., 2 diagrs. (s. & f. els.)
RE-BUILT "Royal Scot" engines, L.M.S. illus., diagr. (s. el.)
Re-built "Royal Scot" engines: L.M.S.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1943,
49, 155. illustration, diagram (side & front elevations)
No. 6103 Royal Scots Fusilier illustrated: to be known as
"Converted Royal Scot" class
REBUILT "Royal Scot" locomotive: L.M.S. Railway. Engineering, 1943,
156, 256. illus., diagr. (s. el.)
SECTIONALISED perspective views of L.M.S.R. 4-6-0 converted "Royal Scot"
express locomotive. Rly Gaz., 1947, 87, 555-6 + folding plate.
diagr.
Performance (general)
Ransome-Wallis, P. On railways
at home an abroad. London: Batchworth, 1951. 300 pp. + plates. 102
illus., maps.
Pp. 107-11: Footplate observations made on No. 46111 Royal Fusilier
on 14.00 Liverpool Lime Street to Euston express which ran to time.
Retrospective and critical
The monograph by Essery and Jenkinson is especially important. The
majority of the references consider both the rebuilt and unrebuilt forms,
but some such as Cox and Holcroft's disagreement on the origin of the
Royal Scot design. Holcroft has suggested that the type was merely
a 3-cylinder version of Maunsell's Lord Nelson class. This has been
refuted by Cox who has stated that the design was unique, except in that
the fireboxes and cabs of the two types were-similar. The basis for the
controversy was due to the LMS acquisition of a set of Lord Nelson
drawings to help in the design work. This
literature is covered mainly in the section on the original locomotives as
are the accidents at Weaver Junction and elsewher. Similarly, the locomotive
exchanges refer only to one type: the rebuilt type.
Allen, C.J. The locomotive
exchanges, 1870-1948. [1950] .
The rebuilt Royal Scot performed exceptionally well during the locomotive
exchanges
Baxter, F.L. Balancing of three-cylinder locomotives. Engineer,
1935, 160, 84-6. 5 diagrs., 8 tables.
The Royal Scot class is considered on a comparative
basis.
Bond, R.C. Organisation and control
of locomotive repairs on British Railways. J. Instn Loco. Engrs,
1953, 43, 175. 216-65. (Paper No. 520).
Includes figures for the mileage obtained between overhauls for the
class:70,495
Bradley, D.L. Locomotives of
the Southern Railway. Part 2. RCTS, 1975.
Quotes locomotive repair costs per mile (excluding boiler) 3.48p and
boiler repair costs (0.54p) and coal consumption per train mile (42.8 lb)
for 1955. Original source not quoted.
Clarke, John. Bill on 'Royal Scots'.
Steam Wld., 1997 (121)
42-5.
Bill Starvis Diaries: entries on Royal Scot class both rebuilt and
unrebuilt. During 1950s many in very poor condition. Starvis questioned their
utilty on Euston to Carlisle workings and wondered why there were insufficient
Pacifics, Clarke's commentary is somewhat at variance with the diary
entries
Clay, J.F. Their place in history. No. 1. The Royal Scots. J.
Stephenson Loco. Soc., 1966, 42, 5-15. 12 illus.
A history.
Cook, A.F. Raising steam on
the LMS: the evolution of LMS locomotive boilers. Huntingdon: RCTS,
1999. 233pp.
The question of the boiler design and the possible influences of Swindon,
and of the Maunsell Lord Nelson class is discussed at considerable
length Table 50 (page 217) quotes the cost of classified boiler
repairs on a comparitive basis in pence per mile: 1 pence/mile for a Duchess
as against 0.8 for an A4 and 0.6 for a Merchant Navy. The Kings, Castles
and Lord Nelsons were more expensive than the Scots..
Cox, E.S. and Johansen, F.C.
Locomotive frames. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1948, 38, 81-115.
Disc.:115-96 (Paper No.473).
On p. 175 the authors, and on p. 168 J.C. Loach, remark on the
difficulties in maintaining the frames of this class.
Cox, E.S. Locomotive panorama.
1965.
See p.59 for the Cox v Holcroft controversy.
Cox, E.S. Mechanical development in
Doherty, Douglas: Royal Scots of the LMS.
1970.
A useful assessment of both the original design and the rebuilt
version.
Diamond, E.L. Development of locomotive power
at speed. Proc. Instn Mech.
Engrs., 1947, 156, 404-16. Disc.: 417-43.
Theoretical analysis based upon a number of locomotive types, of which
rebuilt Royal Scot and the 4P compound were the sole British examples: the
remainder were either North American or Continental European
(Chapelon).
Fore, J. Footplate impressions.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1955, 45, 31 7-21. (Paper No.
546).
It is very noticeable with these engines that while the draughting
arrangement seems adequate for steam production when working hard, there
does not seem to be the same margin of supply over demand when working lightly.
The Author considered that this was largely due to the double blast arrangement
which recent research has shown to be of doubtful advantage except at steaming
rates of over 28,000 lb. /hour. Thus, often perfect steaming on a hard uphill
stretch, difficulty is experienced in maintaining the boiler pressure over
an easier section which follows, unless care is taken to ensure that the
thickness of the firebed has been reduced to a minimum by the commencement
of the period of lighter working.
Holcroft, H. "Castles", "Lord Nelsons", and "Royal Scots". Rly
Mag., 1947, 93, 13-15; 27. 3 illus.
Holcroft, H. Discussion on
Cox, E.S. A modern locomotive history: ten years' development on the
L.M.S. 1923-1932. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1946, 36, 100-41.
Disc.: 141-70; 275-6. (Paper No.457).
Pp. 146-8 : Holcroft in the above references states his case for the
connection between the Lord Nelson and Royal Scot
classes.
Hunt, David with Bob Essery and
Fred James. The rebuilt 'Royal Scots'. LMS Locomotive Profiles
No.1.
Highly detailed drawings from NRM collections. A very significant
source of information. Additional
information in LMS Journal No. 19 which records locomotives fitted
with roller bearings on inside big ends..
Hunt, David with John Jennison and Bob Essery. The
"Royal Scots". LMS Locomotivve
Profile No. 15
Replaced No. 1 in series and includes original design as well as greatly
expanded coverage of rebuilds.
Jenkinson, D. The "Royal Scots". Part 1. Rly Wld, 1967,
28, 422-7. 12 illus., 2 tables.
This historical review is mainly concerned with externals, such as
liveries and smoke deflector plates. Part 2
(Rly Wld, 1967, 28,
480-3) is mostly, but not entirely, restricted to the rebuilt
locomotives.
Johnnson, Peter G. Footplate impressions in
Doherty, Douglas: Royal Scots of the LMS.
1970.
Most of his impressions as a fireman and driver were of the rebuilt
type, but he stated that far more skill was required to fire and drive the
unrebuilt locomotives which do not like a thick fire. The exhaust steam injector
differed greatly between the two types. The difficulty of access to the inside
cylinder was criticised and the poor riding qualities were noted, especially
of those locomotives based at Polmadie.
Nock, O.S. Three generations of West Coast 4-6-0's : Claughtons
Royal Scots converted Scots. Rly pict., 1949,
2,76-81; 98-104.8 illus., 2 tables.
Development rather than performance.
John Powell. In the firebox of Scots Guardsman: Pensive Moments.
Rly Wld, 1991, 52,
302-6.
The Royal Scot 4-6-0s were magnificent locomotives but there were:
faults in the original design; faults in the data attributed to them; and
faults in the rebuilt engines. The original tenders were inadequate. The
original piston rings rapidly deteriorated and led to high fuel consumption,
but the problem was cured by fitting six narrow rings. Cox in his Locomotive
panorama stated that the original locomotives were using 9 tons of coal on
the London to Carlisle run, but Powell considers that this was impossible
with a tender limited to 5½ tons, especially before the addition of
coal rails. The original bogies were prone to derailment and caused severe
oscillation and was alleviated by increasing the strength of the side control
springs, but before a Royal Scot was sent to America a Swindon or de Glehn
bogie was fitted. Smoke deflection was a major problem and drifting smoke
led to serios accidents. The use of Southern Railway type smoke defectors
diminished the problem. The rebuilt locomotives also suffered in this respect,
but only the locomotive fitted with BR standard deflectors was
aesthetically satisfactory. The problems with No. 6170 are briefly considered.
The weakness of the original smokebox was eliminated in the rebuilds, but
the problem of rough riding demanded further modification to the bogie
springing
Powell, John. Performance in service in
Doherty, Douglas: Royal Scots of the LMS.
1970.
An assessment mainly in terms of performance, but there is also some
criticism of design faults, notably the location of the inside cylinder which
made maintenance difficult, and surprisingly perhaps, the only modest gain
in performance terms of the rebuilt locomotives.
Powell, A.J.
Stanier locomotive classes. 1991. Pp. 62-7.
Class 6P-three-cylinder 4-6-0 rebuilt 'Royal Scot'. This is largely
restricted to the rebuilt locomotives and is a slimmer Chapter than some
of the others as the rebuilt design appears to have been correct from
the outset. Notes that large sand boxes were fitted between intermediate
and trailing driving wheels in endeavour to alleviate severe slipping at
high speed (this soes not seem to have been noted in the contemporary literature.
Smoke deflectors fitted from 1947.
Rimmer, Alan. Testing times at Derby: a
'Privileged' view of steam. Usk:
Oakwood, 2004. 120pp. (RS14)
Pp. 55-6: was involved during 1950 in fitting experimental pyrometers
to No. 46155 The Lancer: noted the extremely rough riding experienced
on a Crewe to Euston return footplate trip on this llocomotive
Tuplin, W.A. A critical appreciation in
Doherty, Douglas: Royal Scots of the LMS.
1970.
An assessment mainly of the original design: suggests that the poor
ride might have been improved if the wheel-base of the Lord Nelson had been
adopted.
Tuplin, W.A. Sir Henry Fowler's "Royal Scots": a survey to mark the
conversion of the last unrebuilt "Scot", No.46137. Trains ill., 1955,
8, 244-9. 5 illus., 3 tables.
A critical survey.
By 1947 the rough riding of the locomotives combined with poor track (due to the lack of maintenance in WW2) was causing strong complaints from footplate staff, premature shopping and extra maintenance work at the sheds, without producing any improvement. A full-scale investigation was therefore started and Powell was detailed to live with the 'Scots' exclusively and find out what made them tick. The next two months were spent at Longsight, Camden and Crewe North sheds, checking lateral clearances on coupled axleboxes, axlebox top clearances, condition of bogie slides, check springs and the like, besides checking drivers' reports and riding with the engines after examination.
It was really hopeless to try to divine drivers' experiences from the repair cards they submitted. The average card just said 'engine rides rough', elaborated perhaps to 'not fit to be on passenger 'work' if the driver felt particularly aggrieved by it. But in what way was it rough? Did it roll like a ship in a cross swell? Did it have a vicious side-ways kick at the cab end? Did it just feel as though it were running on cobblestones or the sleeper ends? Was there a violent knock in the boxes? Or some dastardly combination of these faults? ... During that period there was some distinctly 'soft' track on main lines, and you knew in advance that certain spots would give a rocky ride:
Some engines would be worse than others, and some were devils incarnate. One day Powell rode on No 6121 on the 2.45pm from Euston as far as Stoke, and in a known spot in the vicinity of Polesworth the engine suddenly went into a prolonged series of violent tail-wagging oscillations allied with heavy rolling, made to sound even worse by loud grinding noises as the trailing wheel rims bore hard against the sides of the firebox expansion angles. We were doing 65-70mph at the time, and the fireman was just commencing his swing when it started. His shovel hit the outer edge of the open firehole door, the coal went on the floor near the leg guard, with his shovel lying in the corner of the cab at my feet. Many times I saw similar incidents, though not quite so violent as that one, and the drivers would shut off and make a brake application until the oscillation stopped.
The front end did its normal slight nosing rather like any other class, and there was a degree of occasional rolling which one expects, but given certain conditions of track, speed, and drawbar pull the engine would suddenly go berserk (or so it seemed). A soft spot in the track would initiate a roll which would tend to slew the front end round slightly; the bogie would try to pull it back, the soft coupled springs failed to check the roll, and the whole movement was transferred to the cab end in the form either of heavy oscillation, kept up intermittently for perhaps a mile, or vicious and unpredictable sidekicks.
One thing which influenced the picture was an act of deliberate policy on the LMS, following Stanier's experience on the Pacific Locomotive Committee in India, to stiffen up the bogie side control on most standard classes. Unlike the swing-link bogie, where the resistance to side movement only starts to build up significantly after the bogie has moved from the centre position, the spring-controlled side bolster bogie used on GWR and LMS taper-boiler engines had a substantial resistance to movement right from the start, and in the case of the 'Royal Scots' this had been deliberately increased to between 4 and 5 tons. Now there were no infallible rules for arriving at the optimum value: it was inevitably a compromise, as so often happens in locomotive engineering. On the one hand, insufficient guidance from the bogie would allow the engine to 'nose', possibly for that nosing to build up into a rhythmic swing if the motion was not damped out (and if such 'hunting' took place you were really in for trouble, as the Pacifics in India were); this led to excessive flange wear on the leading coupled wheel tyres. The other extreme was to pile on the side control to the point of almost locking the bogie: the usual outcome of this was to transfer the movement to the back end of the engine due to the bogie's inability to accommodate itself to movements initiated by track irregularities and wheel tread coning.
Yet another factor came to light. The wheel boss faces, in time, suffered a certain amount of wear and re-machining, which made it necessary to thicken up the axlebox facing to compensate. With white metal there was a limit to the thickness which could be applied before it became unduly weak and either extruded or broke up under the awful beating it had to withstand with the engine running at speed. Crewe works, therefore, were in the habit of fitting a gunmetal liner on the axlebox face, secured by riveted studs, but it soon became apparent that these liners did not stay tight on the box for long, and in a number of cases they dropped off altogether. You could not inadvertently provide an additional ½ in or more of side clearance on the trailing wheels without the effect being distinctly noticeable on the footplate!
After weeks of riding on 'Scots' up and down the West Coast main lines, until his ribs bore the impression of every cabside beading, Powell concluded that three things were needed to cure the trouble so far as the engines were concerned (the rest was up to the permanent way people!). Firstly, stiffer coupled springs were required to minimise the rolling. Secondly, the pernicious practice of fitting gunmetal liners should cease, and a steel-plate welded on to the axlebox face should be provided. Thirdly, the bogie check springs should be made softer and friction damping introduced on the bogie slides.
To say that these recommendations met with little enthusiasm would be to exaggerate. No 1 was acceptable, but No 2 was unpopular with the workshop people; No 3 was so directly contrary to what had been done for years deliberately that it caused serious indigestion. When he read my comprehensive report, E.S. Cox was so sceptical that he borrowed a suit of overalls and went out to see for himself, riding 'Royal Scots', but when he came back he opined that there might be something in what I had said after all. The result was the lengthy trials between Derby and Buxton with No 46120, festooned in cables from recording devices fitted on the axleboxes and bogie, and the flange force recording car. As a result of these tests, it was found that the best all-round results were obtained from bogie check springs giving only 1½ tons initial control, in conjunction with unlubricated friction damping pads on the bogie side bolsters.
The coupled springs originally fitted to the rebuilds were 14-plate affairs, somewhat on the weak side, soft and quick to lose camber. This was a major contribution to rough riding. At the time of my investigation these had mostly been replaced by a 15-plate type, which were better but not the whole answer.
By the time the trials with No 46120 were coming to a conclusion, the BR standard designs were on the board, and the spring design concept of these was then tried on the 'Scots' 16-plate springs with greater theoretical deflection per ton but seemingly an awful lot of internal hysteresis. They certainly steadied the riding, but it then became distinctly 'solid' and hard. On Nos 46146 and 46166, the two engines experimentally fitted, you could very nearly count the stones of the ballast, and this was somewhat wearing for enginemen. In the end a more acceptable compromise was adopted.
Even after all this work had been done, however, there were still the occasional black sheep. No 46131, then at Longsight, was one, and No 46120 at Crewe North became another. We tried everything, including stiffening up the intermediate buffer springs between engine and tender, to steady the back end of the engines by the weight of the tender, but with little success. It was a bug in certain engines only, and each seemed to react differently. Ultimately, it was decided to check the coupled wheel balancing on the rotating machine at Crewe, and then things began to come to light. The original wheels with solid cast balance weight had been tinkered with in early years by adding small auxiliary weights, but they had never been spun again as a check. In addition, the old fluted 'Vibrac' coupling rods had been superseded by flat-section rods on some engines, only to be replaced in turn by new fluted rods in fine-grain manganese-molydenum steel, and the weights differed somewhat. So the coupled wheels of all the 'Scots' were rebalanced as they went through the shops; and thereby that particular ghost seemed to have been laid effectively.
Smoke deflection
In 1947 there was another complaint about the rebuilt 'Scots' the obscuring of the driver's vision by drifting steam and smoke. In my experience, if the engine was being worked on the main valve of the regulator, no matter how short the cut-off, the steam would always clear itself even in bad cross-wind conditions, but high-speed running on the first valve only at 15% cut-off was frequently a nightmare, with the driver either having to cross the cab or to shut off steam for signal sighting. As a result, No 46115 was fitted with 'blinkers' and Powell was sent to report on their effectiveness. Illustration of 6115 Scots Guardsman still with "LMS" on tender with "experimental smoke deflectors leaving Crewe (photo: W.H. Whitworth). Rly Mag,, 1948, 94, 414..
On his first trip out of London with her, the weather was tailor-made for the job damp, with slight mist and a gentle breeze from the east. As we came down from Tring to Bletchley on first valve of the regulator and 15% cut-off at about 70mph, the breeze nicely rolled the steam from the chimney top down the driver's side of the boiler, into the vacuum created by the smokebox front, and along in front of the cab in one continuous wall. Improvement in visibility nil! The smoke deflectors were entirely the wrong shape to function properly, which they should do by catching sufficient air in front of the smokebox and guiding it smoothly alongside the smokebox and boiler barrel. This prevented a partial vacuum being formed alongside the smokebox, caused by the bluff smokebox front, into which the exhaust was drawn down from the chimney. The deflectors fitted to No 46115 were inclined at the front, restricting their 'gathering' capacity in front of the smokebox, and were too short to guide the air stream effectively before release at the back.
Powell put in a scathing report and pointed out that at cut-offs in the vicinity of 15 per cent, on the first valve of the regulator, they were quite useless. But I was not prepared for the official reaction of the Motive Power Department, who professed entire satisfaction with them and claimed that these engines were never driven in the manner he had described. Powell promptly checked my records of the previous 20 trips from Euston to Rugby and confirmed that, on the downhill stretches, the engine in no fewer than 18 cases had been worked on the first valve with cut-offs of 15% or less, which was perfectly adequate for 'limited load' timekeeping with 15 bogies on a 1 in 330 gradient. It was all to no purpose, however all except No 46106 were fitted with the self-same deflectors. No 46106 got a pair of BR standard type defiectors, squarer at the front and not far short of twice as long. She was a Scottish engine and Powell had no chance to ride her, but it was his guess that this design was very much more effective.
Names : See also S.P.B. Mais above.
Locomotive names from early locomotives, e.g. Novelty.
[LIST of names selected for the Royal Scot class]. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon
Rev., 1928, 34, 69.
"ROYAL" locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Mag., 1929, 64, 380-1. 3
illus.
Notes on names.
Regimental names.
This section requires improvement: much must have been missed: for
instance the renaming of H.L.I. to Highland Light Infantry...
Photographs of No. 6121 H.L.I. in its rebuilt form are rare. but
there is one on page 230 (V. 1) of
Langridge's Under ten
CMEs
ANOTHER L.M.S.R. engine named after county regiment naming ceremony of engine
No. 6131 "Royal Warwickshire Regiment" at New Street Station, Birmingham.
Rly Gaz., 1938, 68, 1204; 1214. illus.
CEREMONY with L.M.S.R. locomotive at Northampton. Rly Gaz., 1935,
63, 696.
Naming ceremony 6147 The Northamptonshire Regiment.
LOCOMOTIVE naming ceremony. Rly Mag., 1938, 83, 153.
No.6131: Royal Warwickshire Regiment.
L.M.S..R. Locomotive Mag.,
1947, 53, 10
Plaques of the original crest-the gift of Sir Robert Ropner,
Bt.were presented to L.M.S. "Royal Scot" class 4-6-0 locomotive No.
6133 The Green Howards at a ceremony held at Leeds City Station. R.A.
Riddles, C.B.E., Vice-President of the L.M.S. Railway, presided at the unveiling
of the plaques by General Sir Harold E. Franklyn, K.C.B., D.S.O., M.C. (Colonel
of the Regiment)
NEW "Royal Scot" locomotive, L.M.S. Ry.. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev.,
1930, 36, 363.
No.6169: The Boy Scout.
PRESENTATION of plaques to L.M.S.R. engine "Black Watch". Rly Mag.,
1930, 67, 502. illus.
No.6102.
REGIMENTAL plaques attached to L.M.S.R. No.6123, "Royal Irish Fusilier".
Rly Mag., 1930, 67, 164. 2 illus.
REGIMENTAL plaques for L.M.S.R. locomotive. Rly Gaz., 1935, 63,
72.
No.6130: West Yorkshire Regiment.
REGIMENTAL plaques for L.M.S.R. locomotive. Rly Gaz., 1947, 86,
427. 3 illus.
No.6134 The Cheshire Regiment.
[REGIMENTAL plaques presented to No.6103 Royal Scots Fusilier]. Rly
Mag., 1935, 77, 229.
[REGIMENTAL plaques presented to No.6130 The West Yorkshire Regiment].
Rly Mag., 1935, 77, 154.
[REGIMENTAL plaques presented to No.6134 The Cheshire Regiment]. Rly
Mag., 1947, 93, 256. illus.
Brigadier Harding unveils nameplate and plaque accompanied by
Field-Marshal Montgomery and Sir Robert Burrows.
[REGIMENTAL plaques presented to No.6147 The Northamptonshire Regiment].
Rly Mag., 1935, 77, 465.
[Regimental plaques presented to No. 46112 Sherwood Forester at
Nottingham Midland on 18 September 1948].
Backtrack, 2014, 28, 699.
Specific locomotives
Last 'Scot' gets the taper boiler.
Rly Wld, 1955, 16,
119.
No. 46137 Prince of Wales Volunteers (South Lancashire)
5XP (later 6P) "Jubilee": 1934:
To some extent the class may be regarded as a taper-boiler development
of the Fowler Patriot class in
that it was designed to fulfil the same duties and had broadly similar
dimensions. The Locomotive
Mag., 1934, 40, 180 called Nos. 5553-5 "Baby Scot class with
taper boilers". The same term was
still being used in November: 40, 340. The original boilers had
a very low degree of superheat and followed GWR design in its entirety.
Subsequently this had to be corrected with a higher degree of superheat to
suit the type of fuels used on the LMS.
NEW 4-6-0 locomotives, L.M.S.R,. Rly Engr, 1934, 55, 148-54.
8 illus., 7 diagrs. (incl. 2 s. els.)
Also includes the 3-cylinder 2-6-4T design. Includes sectionalized
diagrams.
NEW 4-6-0 locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Engr. 1934, 55, 287-8.
2 illus., diagr. (s.el.)
A series built by the North British Locomotive Co. Also includes a
series of class 5 locomotives built by the Vulcan Foundry.
NEW three-cylinder express locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Mag., 1934.
74, 437-8. 2 illus.
THREE cylinder 4-6-0 passenger engine with tapered boiler, L.M.&
S.R.. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev.,
1934, 40, 134-5. illus., diagr. (s.& f.els.)
THREE-CYLINDER 4-6-0 type passenger locomotive for the L.MS.R..
Engineering, 1934, 137, 487-8. illus., diagr. (s. & f.
els.)
1934 : slight modifications to the weight distribution
and to the tender.
THREE-CYLINDER 4-6-0 passenger engine, L.M. & S. Railway. Loco. Rly
Carr. Wagon Rev., 1934, 40, 296. illus.
No 5552.
This locomotive was named Silver Jubilee and received a livery
of black, relieved by chromium plated numerals and boiler bands, to celebrate
the Royal Jubilee. Royal approval recorded in
Locomotive Mag., 1935, 41,
107.
JUBILEE exhibition of locomotives and rolling stock at Euston Station.
Loco. Rly Wagon Rev., 1935,
41,139.
No. 5348 Coronation (LNWR.4-4-0) was also exhibited. Details
of No.5552's chromium plating (Adey's Process) are included.
L.M.S.R.Silver Jubilee locomotive. Rly Gaz., 1935, 62, 623-4.
L.M.S.R. Silver Jubilee locomotive. Rly Gaz., 1935, 62, 930.
illus. Errata p.992.
Emphasizes the special finish.
Essery, R.J. and Harris,
N. LMS reflections: a collection of photographs from the Hulton Picture
Company. 1986.
Contains several of the pictures taken at Euston on 2 May 1935 including
one alongside 5348 Coronation (pages 8-9). This book also contains
a photograph on page 9 of 5642 fitted with a glass windshield on side of
cab (KPJ appeared to have missed this). Picture dated 23 April
1934.
[Loss of raised numerals from fireman's side on 45552]. Steam Wld,
2007, correspondence
The thread of this correspondence can be followed both forward and
backwards from a letter by Alan
Williams in Issue 236 page 20
Webs in coupled wheels
This was a carry over from the Claughton and Patriot classes where
webs wwere fitted to some, or all, of the coupled wheels. 31 Jubilee class
were modified in this way: see Townsin page 174
including No. 45557 New Brunswick with all coupled wheels
so-fitted.
Modified boilers with a higher degree of superheat
and domes.
Cook Raising steam page 118: The most conspicuous change in
the revised 3A firebox was that the throatplate now sloped by about the same
amount as the G9½S; the outer plate was "stepped" by 1ft and the inner
plate by 10½in. The effect of this, combined with the small increase
in the firebox wall area due to the larger grate, raised the firebox heating
surface from 162.5ft2 to 181.1ft2. Even more important
in the eyes of Derby Drawing Office was the increase in firebox volume. As
mentioned previously, the open pipe at the top front of the firebox steam
space for collecting steam was replaced by a regulator valve in a dome. These
changes in design were settled quickly, but the question of tube layout was
more difficult. E A Langridge considered nine alternative tube layouts.
Modified passenger engines: L.M.S.R.. Loco Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1937, 43, 32-3. 2 illus., 2 diagrs. (s. & f.els.)
Smokebox gas tests
Smokebox gas tests conducted under Percy Lewis-Dale and the LMS Advisory
Committee on Scientific Research conducted tests on smokebox gases frtom
1930 through the 1930s. In part this was published in
ILocoE Paper 295, but from Townsin
it would seem that more data may still be available. Locomotives tested in
1935 included Nos. 5556 and 5646: locomotives were worked extremely hard
between Crewe and Carlisle. See Townsin page
95..
Water treatment to reduce priming
From 30 July 1935 chemical briquettes were added to the tenders to
reduce priming. See Townsin page 164
Kylchap double chimney
A Kylchap double chimney was fitted to No. 5684 Jutland and it ran
91.5k miles in this condition. Sadly, the inconclusive tests lived up to
the name of the locomotive. The device was fitted in May 1957 and removed
in October 1938. Faults observed included fire throwing. Meanwhile on the
East Coast main line...Townsin page 99.
Tenders: both the Midland (and Midland ex-Royal Scot)
and Stanier standard types were fitted.
[JUBILEE class tenders]. Rly Mag., 1936, 79, 75. or
Locomotive Mag., 1936,
42, 217
Smokebox ash ejectors
See Townsin p.170 and Figs.
153 as fitted to 5698 Mars and Fig. 154 as fitted to 5702
Colossus. Latter was described in Rly Gaz. (1943 August) but
appeared to have been missed by KPJ and cited Patent 550,411.and earlier
Patent by T.W. Royle and P. McCallum Patent: details via Espacenet
below:.
550,411 An improved device for removing ash from the smoke box
of a locomotive boiler. Dominic McNulty. Applied 12 January 1942. Published
6 January 1943.
518,507 Improvements in ejecting means for ashes and like materials
from enclosed spaces such as smoke boxes. Thomas Wright Royle and Percy
McCallum. Applied 27 August 1938. Published 28 February 1940.
1946 tests with different types of superheater element in Jubilee
5733
In 1946 tests were made with different types of superheater element
in jubilee 5733. A set of French Houlet elements (see footnote) were tested
against the pre-War LMS bifurcated elements and the wartime double-return
bend elements. On trains of 450 tons between Crewe and Shrewsbury, "average"
temperatures were recorded with the three types as follows: Houlet 691°,
bifurcated 619° and double-return 624°. The maximnum temperature
with the Houlet was 742°, and with the other types 670°. The report
on the tests noted that the temperature of the exhaust steam with Houlet
elements was 250°, and with the others 214° to 231°, so that
only a small proportion of the additional heat absorbed by the Houlet elements
was converted into extra work in the cylinders. At this time, before tests
on the effects of steam temperatures had been conducted at Rugby, it was
concluded that the increased steam temperature with the Houlet elements was
of little advantage, and as there were some steaming problems with these
elements, they were soon dispensed with.
Cook Raising steam page
122..
Performance and testing
1935
Fast runs on the L.M.S.. Locomotive
Mag., 1935, 41, 310-11.
Daimler-Lanchester Special 27 September 1935: Euston to Coventry behind
No. 5552 Silver Jubilee. The 94 miles were scheduled to be run in
92 minutes down (when time just kept) and 88 minutes up (86 minutes achieved
with 88 milr/h at King's Lnngley)
Jubilee performance. Locomotive
Mag., 1936, 42, 30.
A Manchester to Glasgow express parcels train hauled by a Jubilee
class locomotive ran the 31½ miles from Carnforth to Shap Summit in
30 minutes at an average speed of 63 mile/h thereby reducing the lateness
of the train from 20 minutes to 7 minutes.
20-22 April 1937 : High speed test runs between London (St.Pancras)
and Leeds via Leicester and via Nottingham.
DYNAMOMETER car trials on Midland Division, L.M.S.R. Loco.Rly Carr. Wagon
Rev., 1937, 43,143-5.
DYNAMOMETER trials on Midland Division, L.M.S.R. Rly Gaz., 1937,
66, 870.
l2-15 October 1937: No.5660 Rooke was
tested on high-speed schedules on the routes radiating from Leeds to Bristol
and Glasgow.
Allen, C.J. British locomotive practice and performance. Rly
Mag., 1937, 81, 404-16. tables.
Dynamometer tests on Midland & Northern Divisions, L.M.S.R.
Loco. Rly Carr.Wagon Rev.,.1937,
43, 347-8.
Test runs between Bristol, Leeds and Glasgow by the Midland and Glasgow
& South Western route, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1937, 67, 823-6
+ folding plate. illus., 3 diagrs. (incl. s. el), 2 tables.
13 May 1949 : as part of the Institution of
Locomotive Engineers summer meeting a demonstration run behind a
Jubilee class locomotive was made to display the operation of the
mobile test units.
Brown, D.C. Demonstration run with dynamometer car and mobile test units-Manchester (Central) to Derby. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1949, 39, 361-5. diagr., table.
Lickey Incline: tests without banking in 1956
Class 5 No. 44776 and Jubilee No. 45554 (the latter on 13 March 1955)
were tested. Both locomotives found it possible to climb the bank from a
running start, but neither type could restart on the hill.
See Townsin page 176.
Rugby Testing Station 1956
The last investigation into Jubilee steaming and the most
penetrating came in 1956, when 45722 was tested at Rugby Testing Station.
As received at Rugby the engine was evidently sub-standard, for its performance
was inferior to what had been achieved in pre-War tests. Modifications were
made to the proportions of blastpipe and chimney in accordance with contemporary
ideas (much influenced by the work of S.O. Ell at Swindon) and the maximum
steam production was increased significantly. A double blastpipe, as fitted
to the Scots, produced almost the same maximum output as the modified single
chimney, but with a smaller back-pressure on the pistons. However, the test
report was not decisive in its recommendations, and as by 1957 work on steam
traction was being run down, the only sequel to the Rugby tests was the fitting
of a double chimney to 45596 and of the modified single blastpipe to eight
other Jubilees. A.J. Powell, having had one of the modified single-chimney
engines under his care at Newton Heath shed, asserted that in everyday service
it showed no improvement over the normal engines, and had the disadvantage
that a carbon deposit needed to be cleaned from the blastpipe each time the
boiler was washed out.: Cook
Raising steam Page 121. Relatively full account of these modifications
and tests in Locomotive Mag.,
1958, 64, 122-5.
Retrospective and critical
The huge RCTS study by Townsin is disappointing
as it does not capture the character of a locomotive class which sadly dominated
LMS/LMR express running where lateness was almost regarded as the norm and
wasteful double heading was adopted routinely. KPJ's secondary school days
began with the distinctive clanking (very similar to that of a Gresley Pacific)
of a Farnley Junction Jubilee class as it descended from Greenfield to Manchester
Exchange and might end with a slightly late arrival back on the 4.47 Hull
semi-fast behind an Edge Hill Jubilee: perhaps Windward Islands or
Howard of Effingham: latter still showed a trace of crimson livery
mainly on the cabside: in fairness to Townsin this final red survival is
confirmed therein.
Atkins, P. West coast
4-6-0s at work. 1981. Chap. 8.
Atkins shows the progression from Claughton via the Patriot class
to the Jubilee class: where the Royal Scot chassis was married to what Atkins
regards as the Castle 5013 series boilers, complete with Swindon low superheat.
It was only when three-row superheaters were fitted that performance matched
the parallel boiler locomotives (nobody ever queries why drum-head smokeboxes
were not fitted to the Patriot boilers KPJ). Atkins quotes tests conducted
bewteen Wolverhampton and Euston in April 1935:
Locos. | 5518/5525 |
5645/5646 |
5556 |
parallel |
tapered |
tapered |
|
3-row |
3-row |
2-row |
|
Coal consumption | |||
lb/mile | 38.4 |
37.0 |
43.4 |
lb/dbhp | 3.41 |
3.34 |
3.71 |
Water cosumption | |||
gal/mile | 30.8 |
28.0 |
35.4 |
lb/lb coal | 8.02 |
7.56 |
8.14 |
Atkins notes that from No. 5665 onwards sloping throat-plate boilers
were fitted and this increased the grate area and free gas area and greatly
improved performance. KPJ: did the running department make any attempt to
match boiler with train services? Certainly personal experience indicated
that performance varied greatly with this class, and much more so than with
the more standard LNER designs, such as the B1 and K3 types.
Loach (J. Instn Loco. Engrs,
1948, 38) that some of the Jubilee class were fitted with Claughton
type douuble radial trucks, but Atkins states that this is incorrect: Crewe
used Claughton side frames and axleboxes to construct 6ft 3in bogies.
Finally, Atkins noted that the valve gear and piston valves use on the Jubilee
class was standard with that on the Patriot and Royal Scot classes.
Bond, R.C. Ten years'
experience with the L.M.S. 4-6-2 non-condensing turbine locomotive No.6202.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1946, 36, 182. (Paper No.458).
On p. 187 the author quotes hammer blow statistics for the "Jubilee"
class: at 72 mile/h 8.31 tons per rail (whole engine: .61).
Clay, John F. Jubilees of
the LMS. 1971.
Cook, A.F. Raising steam on
the LMS: the evolution of LMS locomotive boilers. Huntingdon: RCTS,
1999. 233pp.
The translation of what Cook regards as the Castle boiler into
one which was capable of powering an existing satisfactory three-cylinder
chassis was highly elusive and was not fully solved until a larger boiler
capable of equalling that of driving a more powerful front-end (the rebuilt
Fury) was developed. It is surprising that the London Midland Region accepted
such an inadequate basis for many of its so-called expresses which either
lost time or required assistance, and frequently both.
Cox, E.S. Chronicles of steam.
London: Ian Allan, 1967.
Page 92: Table 9: alternative draughting arrangements, including double
chimney. On pp. 146-7 Cox noted that improved draughting experiments had
often been unsuccessful, culminating in the volcanic display of a 5X class
4-6-0 which, when fitted with a double Kylchap arrangement in 1937, had produced
a continuous spray of incandescent fuel from the chimney top at anything
above the lowest output, the smokebox at the same time filling up with ash
up to the level of the blastpipe cap during a journey. This was, of course,
due to gross unsuitability of the tube proportions, and the lesson was quickly
learned that the benefits from more powerful and efficient blast was only
fully to be attained by use of a larger number of smaller tubes in the boiler,
the end product being increase in evaporative capacity combined with low
back pressure in the cylinders.
Hall, Stanley. Railway milestones and
millstones: triumphs and disasters in British railway history. 2006.
"Initially they were a disappointment... but then became fast running
and willing horses... perhaps with hindsight the second tranche of 'Jubilees'
should have had larger boilers from the start". KPJ: one is tempted to wonder
why it was so difficult to fit larger boilers, when the Eastern Region found
it simple to fit A4 class boilers to other classes, or is this yet another
standardization myth?:
Langridge, E.A. Under
ten CMEs. 2011. p. 91
When you think of the two classes of the SECR, and later the SR, it
seems strange that on the LMS no efforts were made to use the Horwich 2-6-0
parts as future standards. It may be mentioned - although this is another
tale - that this obstinacy went right through to Stanier class '5' 4-6-0s
and 'Jubilees', which had absurd little differences of detail which would
never have arisen if rivalry between the design offices had been scotched
at the beginning of the amalgamation.
Livesay, E.H. Scottish locomotive experiences. No. 5 L.M S.R.
Glasgow-Inverness trains : "5XP" and "5P" class engines. Engineer,
1939, 168, 390-2. 3 illus., table.
The class observed (from the footplate) through North American eyes.
Loubser, M.M. and Cox, E.S. Locomotive
boiler design : theory and practice. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1938,
28, 377-409. Disc.: 409-41. (Paper No. 388).
Cox's contribution consists of an analysis of the Stanier taper-boiler
with particular emphasis on the four types fitted to the "Jubilee" class.
Stanier (pp.410-11) adds some notes on the front-end.
Meeting current steam locomotive demands. Loco Rly Carr. Wagon
Rev., 1958, 64, 41-3.3 illus.
Criticism of the L.M.S. small engine policy particularly the use of
Stanier 4-6-0s on the Midland route.
O.S. Nock. Developments and trials. Locomotive Causerie No. 178.
Railway Wld., 1955, 16,
97-100.
Trials of LMS Class 5 4-6-0 No, 44776 with seven coaches on
Lickey Incline without a banking engine and with eight coaches by Jubilee
class No. 45554 Ontario (illustrations of both tests) which included
restarting on bank
Phillips, K.R. and Townsin, R. A key 'Jubilee' No. 45658
Keyes. Steam Wld,
2000 (160),28-32.
Always allocated to Leeds Holbeck. It achieved a mileage of 1,728,870
miles by June 1961. Includes logs of two runs in which speeds in excess of
80 mile/h were achieved between St Pancras and Leicester..
Poultney, E.C. Locomotive coal trials. Engineer, 1960, 209,
462-6. 9 diagrs., 6 tables. (REA 13258).
A review of tests carried out at the Rugby Test Plant on the affect
of small coal on steaming capacity on the 5 and "Jubilee"
classes.
Powell, A.J. Living with London Midland
locomotives. 1977.
Chapter 8: 'Patriots' and 'Jubilees'
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp. 46-56.
Class 5XP-three-cylinder 4-6-0 'Jubilee'. Unlike Rowledge (below)
Powell suggests that the earlier Crewe-built locomotives were fitted with
second-hand bogies from the Claughton class, rather than bogies of
Claughton-type. Like the class 5 the class was fitted with at least two boiler
types (straight and sloping throat plates). The problems with draughting
are noted.
Rimmer, Alan. Testing times at Derby: a 'Privileged' view of
steam. Usk: Oakwood, 2004. 120pp.
(RS14)
Pp. 29-31 note that overheating of the inside was encountered, and
some locomotives were modified (like the Gresley Pacifics) to incorporate
a capsule conating butyl mercaptan, a foul smelling
chemical..
Roe, F.G. I saw three Englands. Rly Mag., 1949,
95, 7-12; 81-4. 3 illus. (incl. port.), map.
A retired Canadian engine driver's footplate journey from Leeds to
St. Pancras.
Rogers, H.C.B. Last steam
locomotive engineer: R.A. Riddles, C.B.E. 1970.
The two-cylinder 4-6-0s gave excellent service from the start, but
the three-cylinder 4-6-0s began their career with steaming trouble. They
were, or should have been, the ideal engines for the Birmingham two-hour
expresses. However, owing to shortage of steam there were a number of failures,
and, without reference . to the CME'S department (Stanier was away) the Operating
Department under D.C. Urie took them off the Birmingham expresses and transferred
them to the Midland line and to duties which the Compounds, with their much
lower tractive effort could manage easily. Riddles came back from leave as
this transfer was taking place. His reaction was immediate: he gave instructions
that jumper tops were to be removed at once and the diameter of the blast
pipe orifice to be reduced from 5¼ inches to 47/8 inches.
For he had spotted that, far from the jumper tops being needed to reduce
the blast, there was never enough of it: in fact, an arrangement that worked
well with four cylinders on the Great Western was not suited to these
three-cylinder engines of the LMS. The alterations were carried out on all
engines within seven days. Riddles then gave orders that two Mechanical
Inspectors attached to the London Office were, between them, to ride on all
Jubilee class engines leaving St Pancras until further notice. The Inspectors
were jubilant: the Midland drivers had never had such fine engines! When
later the boilers were fitted with a higher degree of superheat the Jubilees
became as efficient as any engines that Stanier designed.
Rowledge,
J.W.P. and Brian Reed. The Stanier 4-6-0s of the LMS. (the
Jubilees, class 5s and the BR Standard class 5s). Newton Abbot: David
& Charles, 1977.
Rich source of concise information.
Soden, James. No romance.
Rly Wld., 2010, (277),
40-5..
Difficulty of oiling inside motion as compared with Gresley conjugated
gear on A3 Pacifics
Stanier,W.A. [Discussion on]
Bond, R.C. Ten years' experience
with the L.M.S. 4-6-2 non.condensing turbine locomotive No.6202. J. lnstn
Loco. Engrs, 1946, 36, 182-230. (Paper No.458).
Stanier confesses to the inadequacy of low degree superheating.
Stanier, W.A. [Discussion on] Webber,
A.F. Paper No. 378). The proportions of locomotive boilers. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs, 1937, 27, 688-725. Disc.: 726-63.
Analysis of boiler design on a comparative basis: includes SR V, N15X
class and LNER P2 class. Stanier: (pp726-8) gave an indication af the free
areas in use on the current L.M.S. engines. "As you know, Dr. Wagner indicated
the importance of getting in balance the areas through the small tubes and
the areas through the large flue tubes. On the Pacific" Coronation" engine
the area through the small tubes is 3.23 sq. ft. and through the large tubes
3.66 sq. ft., making a total of 6.89 sq., ft. On the "5X" 3-cylinder engines
the figures are 2.22 sq. ft. and 2.52 sq. ft., making a total of 4.74 sq.
ft. You will remember that in his Paper Dr. Wagner gave
particulars of a boiler which had a free area through the tubes of something
like 8 sq. ft. The comment of a member of my staff was that that engine would
burn brickbats! The difficulty is, of course, to obtain the
free areas which you want and to maintain a balance with the grate area and
the firebox volume within the load gauge from which we suffer in England.
He added "In connection with the "5X" engines, it may interest yau to know
that the L.M.S. have recently carried out some accelerated train trials between
Glasgow and Leeds and Leeds and Bristol with "5X" engines. With a train weighing
300 tons, the coal consumption on that engine to do the work varied from
40 lb. per sq. ft. af grate area per hour to 100 lb. per sq. ft. of grate
area per hour, which I think indicates what an extraordinarily flexible
steamraiser a locomotive boiler is. I do not advocate an engine being used
to burn l00 lb. per sq. ft. of grate area per hour; I think that if we did
that with some of the bigger engines we should have to put in a mechanical
stoker".
Tester, Adrian. A defence of the Midland/LMS Class 4
0-6-0, 2011.
Thorley, W.G.F. A breath of
steam.1975.
Urie must have been in a particularly belligerent mood on this occasion
when he drew the attention of J.G. Barr, one of the Northern Division
representatives, to the fact that he had 15 jobs booked for an allocation
of 17 Class 5X 'Jubilee' locomotives, whilst at the same time there were
only two booked jobs for nine 'Royal Scot' engines. Mr Barr replied that
he was covering Class 5X jobs with 'Royal Scot' engines because the former
had been a great disappointment and from experience were only equal to a
Class 4 (presumably he was referring to a standard compound). The Scottish
'Jubilees' were at that time fitted with superheaters having only 14 elements;
this coupled with other dubious features of boiler design militated against
production of enough steam of the right quality to feed three 17 in cylinders.
The situation was not improved by the absence of locomotive coal grading
systems in Scotland. Barr was requested by Urie to come into line as quickly
as possible with the English divisions in this respect and to grade coal
delivered to individual depots according to the work performed by the locomotives
allocated. Eventually, as is now well known, boners with 24-element superheaters
in conjunction with a larger number of small tubes of smaller diameter and
a reduced diameter of blast pipe orifice were fitted, but the engines remained
for the rest of their lives more sensitive to baleful influences than the
two-cylinder Stanier 4-6-0s. At the meeting under review, Urie suggested
that as many of the new Classes 5 and 5X locomotives as possible should be
stored during the 1936-37 winter under cover at the main workshops, so that
they would be available for Christmas and Easter traffic and would only require
a preliminary run before being put into service. He added that Mr Stanier
had agreed to find as much suitable accommodation as possible. One wonders
if the latter supported this remarkable proposal in order to gain breathing
space to find a remedy for the ills with which his early batches of locomotives
were afflicted, and which he acknowledged with such great courage and honesty,
rectifying them with expedition although without the help of the sophisticated
testing plant available in later years. I cannot find that any Stanier engines
were, in fact, stored during that winter, even though Urie made a special
plea for the 'Jubilees' on the Central Division to be put aside and the
ex-L&Y Class 5 4-6-0 superheated engines to be used instead. Such a move
would almost certainly have been unpopular with footplate and artisan staffs
and would have evoked much adverse comment in the railway and technical
press.
Thorley, W.G.F.. discussion on Tuplin, W.A. Some questions
about the steam locomotive. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs., 1953, 43, 698.(Paper No. 528).
"The first two" Princess" class Pacific locomotives of the former
LMS Railway had 32-element superheaters fitted in place of the original
16-element apparatus after only a short period of service, and the steaming
was improved thereby. Tuplin had said in the discussion that the firebox
volume was increased at the same time as the additional superheating surface
was provided and therefore the value of the latter could not be assessed
accurately, but in this connection it was pointed out that the number of
elements had been increased without increase of firebox volume in both the
Classes 5 MT and 5 XP locomotives of the same railway, as compared with the
original arrangement and the steaming had been improved. The superheater
had the advantage that, provided the flue tubes were kept reasonably clean,
its efficiency remained unimpaired as the boiler scaled up internally; also
it was sometimes able to evaporate water during periods of priming, which
would be carried over into the cylinders of a saturated
engine..
Townsin, Ray
The Jubilee 4-6-0's.. RCTS, 2006. 262pp. 197 figs. (mainly based
on photographs)
This is a disappointing book in spite of its considerable physical
size and weight. It lacks internal structure, and is far away from the more
highly organized Locomotives of the LNER where it is possible to gain
a highly accurate portrait of the comparable B17 class by examining what
is in effect a single chapter, or even the earlier Locomotives of the
Great Western where the Castle class is covered in comparable depth in
a handful of pages. Townsin reprodues an excessive number of photographs
mainly from the post-nationalization period, and recourse has been made to
using photographs of other classes to illustrate specific points, mainly
to show minor livery changes: this is disconcerting. The book is extremely
weak on allocation and work where whole areas of activity are ignored.
Michael Blackemore (Backtrack,
2007, 21, 448) took a different view: "highly recommended", although
the greengrocer's apostrophe is rightly condemned" . Amongst the buried detail
is Fig. 150 which shows the application of a fire iron tunnel to the right
hand side of No. 5655 Keith.(seen at Kentish Town on 22 April 1945);
and the application of smokebox ash ejectors (see page 170) and
specific entry above Blastpipe modifications were legion
and included a double blastpipe fitted to No. 45742 Connaught which proved
its worth on the fast Euston to Wolverhampton expresses; a Kylchap single
chimney, and various other devices. As late as 1956 No. 45722 was sent to
the Rugby Test Plant in an endeavour to improve its steaming. (pp.
178-9)
Names
Walton, John K. Power, speed and glamour: the naming of express steam
locomotives in Inter-War Britain. J. Transport Hist., 2005, 226,
12-19.
Rather pretentious examination by student at Central Lancashire
Universsity of socio-cultural policies in the naming of locomotives: jingoism
of British Empire and Royal Navy as viewed by the great unwashed
Bihar and Orissa. Mike Brooks. [letter]
Railway Wld., 1979,
40, 101
Bihar & Orissa achieved some distinction by being the last
'Jubilee' that St Rollox works caught up with and its nameplates were fitted
on 30 March 1938 This information comes from official LMS correspondence
concerned with nameplates
L.M.S.R. Locomotive Mag., 1946, 52, 132
At Euston Station, locomotive No. 5633 Jubilee Class, was formally
named Aden by Lt.-Col. Sir Bernard Reilly, K.C.M.G., C.I.E., O.B.E.,
who was the first Governor of Aden when it became a Colony in 1937. Sir Robert
Burrows, Chairman of the L.M.S. Railway, presided. No date given.
L.M.S.R.
Locomotive Mag.,
1943, 49, 159.
No. 5616 Malta, 5XP 4-6-0 was on 4 November 1943 renamed Malta
G.C. as a tribute to the people of that heroic island. Lt.-General Sir
William Dobbie, G.C.M.G., K.C.B., D.S.O., accompanied by Lady Dobbie, was
present at Euston to rename the engine. Sir Thomas Royden, Chairman of the
L.M.S. Company, welcomed Sir William and Lady Dobbie, and on the footplate
of the engine were Driver John N. Gregory, a Military Medallist of the last
war, and Fireman Charles Russell, who was in the Dunkirk
evacuation.
L.M.S.R. locomotive "Malta"renamed "Malta GC". Rly Gaz., 1943,
79, 495. illustration.
No.5616.
L.M.R. : No.45700 "Amethyst". J. Stephenson Loco. Soc., 1951,
27, 320. illustration.
previously Britannia.
Locomotive naming ceremony at Euston. Rly Gaz., 1938,
68, 192.
No.5564 New South Wales.
Naming ceremony at Euston. Rly Mag., 1938, 82, 228.
No.5564 New South Wales.
Naming of L.M.S.R. locomotive "Aden". Rly Gaz., 1946, 85,
283, 308. 2 illustration.
No. 5633 renamed (previously Trans-Jordan)
Opening of L.M.S. Research Laboratory. Rly Gaz., 1935,
63, 1029.
Also includes the naming ceremony of No.5665 Lord Rutherford of
Nelson: see also Essery & Harris below.
Presentation to L.M.S. loco. No.5739 "Ulster".
Loco. Rly Carr.Wagon Rev., 1947,
53, 44-5.
Plaques presented by the Ulster Branch of the Overseas League unveiled
at Euston on 31 January 1947 by Lady Brook, wife of Sir Basil Brook, Prime
Minister of Northern Ireland in the presence of Sir William Wood, President
of the LMS and several directors..
"Southern Rhodesia" locomotive naming ceremony. Rly Gaz., 1937,
66, 1040.
No.5595.
Essery, R.J. and Harris,
N. LMS reflections: a collection of photographs from the Hulton Picture
Company. 1986.
Contains "human interest" picture of Lord Rutherford's grandson (Pat
Rutherford) being presented with model of Jubilee locomotive by Lord Stamp
whilst standing on front of 5665 presumably at St Pancras prior to departure
for Derby on 10 December 1935.
Williams, Sitwell D. Admirals of the fleet.
Backtrack, 1996, 10,
46-9.
Some of LMS Jubilee class were named after admirals. These tended
to duplicate the names of the Southern's Lord Nelson class with the exception
of Sir Richard Granville, although the LMS names were shorter. Some
such as Drake and Raleigh repeated earlier LNWR names. The
nameplates of 5644 Howe and 5645 Collingwood were cast at St
Rollox and had less bold lettering than the others. Letter
by Scowcroft (page 165) queries why Monk was not used. illus.: LMS Jubilee
no 5669 Fisher passing South Kenton; 5660 Rooke at Bristol
Temple Mead's; 45650 Blake at Leeds City; 45668 Madden at Edge
Hill; 45642 Boscawen at Glasgow Central; 45667 Jellicoe at
Mill Hill;
Williams, Sitwell. A fleet review [Naval names applied to LMS
5XP Jubilee class]. Backtrack, 2006,
20,12-17.
Names of naval battles; admirals, ships. especially battleships,
battlecruisers, aircraft carriers (Glorious, Furious and
Courageous), gun cruisers, destroyers (Express and
Fearless), one submarine (Seahorse), Vindictive (a training
ship), Defiance (a torpedo school ship) and Nelson's Victory.
The author cannot explain the connection between the LMS and the Royal Navy
(but many of the names may have been recycled from those used by the LNWR).
Only 5706 Express carried a badge. Bibliography.
Williams, Sitwell D. Imperial 'Jubilees'.
Backtrack, 2010, 24,
70-7.
Mainly concerned with the names of LMS Jubilee Class locomotives
associated with the Commonwealth or British Empire:
Rebuilt Jubilee and Patriot classes
Powell's Stanier locomotive classes groups these two classes or sub-classes together which makes sense as the Jubilee class grew from the Patriot class and once rebuilt with the larger 2A boiler, subsequently fitted to the rebuilt Scots, these two types were identical. Powell questions why further locomotives were not re-boilered, especially as the LMR was so obviously short of boiler power [with KPJ wasteful double heading and late running]
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp. 57-61.
Claas 6P-threer-cylinder 4-6-0 rebuilt 'Jubilee' and rebuilt 'Patriot'.
Neiher variant was originally equipped with smoke deflectors and looked far
more impressive in that state.
Preserved locomotives
Campion, Graham (editor). Great preserved locomotives: 5 Jubilee No 5690
Leander, Ian Allan Ltd, 48pp,
Reviewed Railway Wld,
1986, 47, 591
6P (later 7P) "Jubilee" (Nos. 5735 and 5736) :1942 :
These two locomotives were rebuilt from Stanier's own 1934 design.
New, larger boilers were fitted. No further locomotives of this class were
modified, presumably because of the cost involved, but some of the "Patriot"
type were later rebuilt to the same specifica tion. The boiler used was later
employed for the reconstructed "Royal Scots". If there had been an RCTS
Locomotives of the LMS we might have been informed why the two locomotives
reboilered came from the final batch constructed at Crewe and not from from
one of the earlier series. Sadly, Ray
Townsin's monograph The Jubilee 4-6-0's. fails to provide the
reason, but is otherwise excellent on these two locomotives which demonstrates
that he was incapable of handling the vast amount of detail for the whole
class.
L.M.S.R. express locomotive with enlarged boiler. Rly Gaz., 1942,
77, 446. illus., diagr. (s.el.)
L.M.S.R.express locomotives. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1943,
49, 66-7. illus., diagr. (s. el.)
A NOTABLE L.M.S.R. locomotive rebuild. Rly Mag., 1943, 89,
48. illus.
6P (later 7P) Patriot:1946 lvatt
Conversion of "Patriot" 5X class, L.M.S.R..
Loco Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1947,
53, 32. illus.
L.M.S.R. locomotive developments. Rly Mag., 1947, 93, 82; 84-7.
4 illus., 4 diagrs. (s. els.)
REBUILT "Patriot" class locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1947,
86, 136-7. 2 illus., 2 diagrs. (s. els.)
Jennison, John. A detailed history of the LMS 'Patriot' 4-6-0s.
Railway Correspondence & Travel Society. 2019. 224pp.
Well reviewed by Michael Blakemore in
Backtrack, 2019, 33,
318
Names:
Eight former L.N.W.R. names were selected for previously un-named
locomotives, but only Planet was actually used.
[HISTORIC locomotive names for the "Patriot" class].
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev.,
1948, 54, 193.
Historic names had been chosen for eight of the 4-6-0 Patriot class
locomotives of the London Midland Region. The names would be allotted as
the engines left Crewe fitted with the 2A taper boiler. The first one No.
45545, carried the name Planet. Names chosen for the other seven
locomotives were Vu/can, Goliath, Courier, Velocipede,
Champion, Dragon, Harlequin. All had been specially
chosen for their long association with the former L.M.S. and its constituents,
some going back as far as the Liverpool & Manchester and Grand Junction
Railways.
L.N.W.R. names for "Patriots". Rly Mag., 1949, 95, 60.
George Stephenson Centenary exhibits.
Rly Mag., 1948, 94,
391. 2 illus.
Robert Stephenson & Hawthorns Ltd 0-6-0ST for NCB exhbited at
Newcastle and 45229 Stephenson exhibited at Chesterfield
5: 1934-1948
This class consisted of over 800 straight forward mixed traffic
locomotives which performed almost every type of service on almost any part
of the LMS system. With the exception of the boiler variations more worthy
of a Craven than a Stanier and development found in other classes, the design
remained unchanged until lvatt produced several experimental versions in
1947/48. Powell (Stanier locomotive
classes) lists no less than 33 changes introduced during production,
and 15 modifications to this "standard" class and this excludes the
Ivatt-modifications noted earlier. Hunt and his co-workers in
LMS Locomotive Profiles Nos. 5 and
LMS Profile No. 6 have produced a history of the
class which will never be bettered in terms of the per se of the
locomotive class, rather than how it was numbered (although this is covered)
and where and when they worked Although this is not ignored. The illustrations
are purposeful. Furthermore, these two publications make some earlier monographs,
such as that by Clay appear superfluous. Jennison is
extremely good and Volume 2 covering the less standard versions is eagerly
awaited, although will not be purchased by Norfolk book-box service.
The Introduction to Part 6 confusingly refers to Part 5 as Part I, but is
nevertheless useful and is reproduced herein: "Part 1" was published in December
2003 as LMS Locomotive Profile No.5 and dealt with Nos. 5000-5224 that were
built in 1934 and 1935 with vertical-throatplate fireboxes. It also considered
modifications to them and contained some discussion of their initial service.
We originally intended that Part 2 would then cover the remaining batches
built up to 1947, Nos. 5225-5499 and 4768--4999, that had the same wheelbase
but were built with different boilers and fireboxes. Part 3 was envisaged
as describing the remainder of the class, Nos. 4658--4767, built from 1947
to 1951 with a lengthened wheelbase and roller bearings. Since then, however,
we have had a change of heart and decided that a better approach will be
to cover all the Walschaerts and Stephenson valve gear locomotives built
with sloping throatplates in this volume. We will also complete the service
history of the class with the exception of the Caprotti valve gear engines.
The final part will then tell the story of the Caprotti gear locomotives
as well as giving an enginemen's appreciation of the entire class and containing
some details omitted from previous volumes due to space considerations. Although
each part will be a 'stand alone' work to some degree, we are adopting the
same policy that has been applied to the series so far and the three volumes
will in large measure be a single text divided into three sections with
cross-references from one to the'others.ln this way, we hope to avoid too
much repetition. As regards nomenclature, when referring generically to Nos.
5000-5224 we will sometimes use the term 'vertical-throatplate locomotives'
since that is how they were originally built and is a convenient way of
reference, even though some engines later had sloping-throatplate fireboxes.
Similarly, we will occasionally refer for convenience to the subjects of
this volume as'sloping-throatplate locomotives'. Also for convenience, as
well as brevity, we will refer to LMS Locomotive Profile' No.5 - The Mixed
Traffic Closs 5s - Nos. 5000-5224 simply as 'Part 1.
Another departure from the established format of LMS Locomotive Profiles
is the publication of a separate photographic supplement to parts 1 and 2
of this trilogy.This has come about because of the different approaches taken
in the two original projects. Whereas the core of each LMS Locomotive Profile
is a series of drawings and descriptions aimed not only at the modeller but
also the technicallyminded locomotive enthusiast, the Jennison/Clarke idea
was to concentrate more on using a large number of high-quality, detail
photographs. Because of the collections John, David and Bob Essery had amassed,
we therefore had a very large number of pictures available and even a three-part
work would not enable us to use as many as we would like without size and
cost of each again becoming an issue. In consultation with the publisher
we consequently decided to accompany each of the first two volumes with its
own associated pictorial supplement and hope that this combination will give
satisfactory coverage of these important and admired engines.
CREWE-BUILT 4-6-0 mixed traffic engines, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1935,
62, 557. 2 illus.
CYLINDER castings for 4-6-0 type locomotives, L.M.S.R. Rly Gaz., 1936,
64, 1081. illus., 3 diagrs.
GENERAL utility locomotives: the L.M.S.R.Class "5". 4-6-0 mixed traffic engines.
Rly Gaz., 1939, 71, 544-51. 4 illus., 6 diagrs. (incl.. s.el.), 2
plans, 5 tables.
Includes sectionalized diagrams.
Mixed traffic loco. No. 5157, L.M. & S.R.
Locomotigve Mag., 1936, 42, 141.
illustration
Sir W.G. Armstrong built locomotive named The Glasgow Highlander
(illustrated) and No. 5158 The Glasgow Yeomany. Both allocated to St. Rollox
and one illustyrated with tablet exchange appartus for working on Highland
main line.
NEW 4-6-0 locomotives, LM.S.R.. Rly Engr, 1934, 55, 287-8.
2 illus., diagr. (s. el.)
Vulcan Foundry series.
NEW 4-6-0 mixed traffic locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Mag., 1934,
75, 198. illus.
SECTIONED perspective view of cylinders and motion. Rly Gaz., 1946.
84, 568 + folding plate. diagram.
The date should be noted. Also reprinted as stand alone:
see Locomotive Mag.,
1947, 53,
14
Sounds of Stanier Class 5 4-6- climbing to Slochd. BBC archives. See REB
30 M. Railway Wld,
1969, 30, 228.
TWO-CYLINDER 4-6-0 mixed traffic locomotives, L.M.& S. Ry..
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1934,
40, 266-7. illus., diagr. (s.& f.els.)
1936: Boiler modifications
MODIFIED passenger engines, L.M.S.R.. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev.,
1937, 43, 32-3. 2 illus., 2 diagrs. (s. & f. els.)
Performance and testing : (See also Carling, Cox
and Poultney in the retrospective section).
20-22 April 1937 :
High speed test runs between London (St. Pancras) and Manchester (Central)
via Leicester and back.
DYNAMOMETER car trials on Midland Division, L.M.S.R.. Loco.Rly Carr. Wagon
Rev., 1937, 43, 143.5.
DYNAMOMETER trials on Midland Division, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1937,
66, 870.
1939 :
Test runs : Leeds-St. Pancras (passenger), Sheffield-Carlisle
(freight)..
Stanier, W.A. The position of the locomotive in mechanical engineering.
Proc. Instn mech. Engrs,
1941, 146, 50-61 + 4 plates. 13 illus., diagr., 3 tables.
(Presidential Address).
Dynamometer car tests: St Pancras to Leeds and return with No. 5067
with 14 element superheater and No. 5079 with 21 element
superheater
GENERAL utility locomotives : the L.M.S.R. class "5" 4-6-0 mixed traffic
engines. Rly Gaz., 1939, 71, 544-51. 4 illus., 6 diagrs. (incl.
s.el.), 2 plans, 5 tables.
Smokebox ash removal
Davies & Metcalfe experiments on smokebox washing out.
see Davies & Metcalfe
page.
No. 5435 modified to accept this method of smokebox
cleaning
1947: oil fuel
Wells, Jeffrey. The quest for alternative fuels.
Part 3. Backtrack, 1999, 11,
148.
Photograph of No, 4844 in service at Crewe on 11 October 1947.
1948 :
British Railways inter-railway comparative testing.
Allen, C.J.. The locomotive
exchanges, 1870-1948. [1950].
Retrospective and critical
Andrews, H.I. Heat losses of locomotive boilers. Engineering,
1955, 180, 209-11. illus., 6 tables. (REA 9670)
Tests of one of the class on the mobile test plant.
Atkins, Philip. Odious comparisons.
Steam Wld, 2015, (335),
8-14
Annual mileage; availability, and average engine miles per working
day in 1958:
LMR (533 locos): 39,428; 79%; 161
ER (35 locos): 43,250; 80%; 174
ScR (194 locos): 40,614; 74%; 177
Bond, R.C. Organisation and control
of locomotive repairs on British Railways. J. Instn Loco. Engrs,
1953, 43, 175. 216-65. (Paper No. 520).
Mileage figures between major overhauls for the basic design (56,969)
and for locomotives with manganese steel axlebox liners (97,291) are
quoted.
Bond, R.C. Ten years' experience
with the L.M.S. 4-6-2 non-condensing turbine locomotive No.6202. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs, 1946, 36, 182-265. (Paper No. 458).
Page 187 : the author quotes hammer blow figures for the class 5 at
64 mile/h 7.59 tons per rail (whole engine: 9.03) .
Bond, R.C. discussion on Burrows, M.G. and Wallace, A.L.
Experience with the steel fireboxes of the Southern Region Pacific
locomotives. J. Instn Loco. Engrs.,
1958, 48, 282-3. (Paper No. 584)
Noted the importance of water quality and treatment. The Class
5 4-6-0s fitted with steel fireboxes had not been entirely
satisafctory.
CAB comfort. Rly Mag., 1945, 91, 236.
Criticism of the uncomfortable cabs and rough riding
characteristics.
Carling, D.R. Locomotive testing
on British Railways. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1950, 40, 496-591.
(Paper No.497).
Tests carried out at the Rugby Test Plant with a class 5 locomotive
are considered in detail.
Clay, J.F. and Cliffe,
J. The Stanier 'Black Fives'. London: Ian Allan, 1972. 96pp.
Usual mixture of description of design and its variants (including
the British Railways 73XXX series), locomotive performance and overall assessemnt
wherein it is questionned whether the tapered boiler and Belpaire firebox
were justifiable when the cheaper Doncaster/Darlington type performed as
well.
Cook, A.F. Raising steam
on the LMS. 1999.
The less than standard Class 5 boilers are considered at length:
furthermore, they were non-standard with those on the Jubilee classes,
but unlike those they were successful: a sort of updated
Saint.
Cox, E.S. Balancing of locomotive
reciprocating parts. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1942, 32, 2-37.
Disc.: (abridged) :1943, 33, 218-36. 4 illus., 11 diagrs., 3 tables. (Paper
No.432).
A class 5 locomotive was deliberately slipped on greased rails at
a speed equivalent to 100 mile/h to establish the effect of coupled wheel
lifting at speed.
Dunn, J.M.
Reflections on a railway career. 1966.
At this period considerable interest was being taken in the performance
of tapered-boiler engines of all types and one of Mr. Stanier's personal
staff, Mr. M. C. Burrows, used to visit in turn all the sheds at which any
of these engines were stationed to see what, if any, trouble they were giving.
I made it my business to collect data for him and as we got on very well
together I looked forward to his visits. One of the most irritating things
to a running-shed man about the 4—6—0 class 5 engines
was the lack of interchangeability of details among individual engines of
the same class in spite of the fact that they were labelled "Standard"
engines. I remember, for example, one of these engines coming to the
shed with an iron carriage-warming apparatus pipe broken. There were two
other sister engines undergoing repairs at the same time and we n~turally
went to take the corresponding pipe off one of these to put the first back
to 'work as quickly as possible. However, the pipe on one of the former was
of a different length and that on the other had the union nut at the wrong
end, so neither could be used. I complained to Mr. Burrows about this and
said that although the engines had been built by contractors I could not
understand why they had not been constructed in conformity with the drawings.
The reply was that the engines were "a bargain" as a result of which one
could not complain!
The 2-cylinder 4-6-0, class 5 engines with tapered-boilers gave a good deal
of trouble with piston-head wear and piston-heads were having to be renewed
at, on an average, every 20,000 miles. This was eventually got over by fitting
a small shoe supported by two coil springs at the bottom of the piston-head
to hold it off the cylinder. The steel firebox stays on these engines also
gave rise to considerable concern and in February 1937 the boilersmith at
Crewe North Shed fairly put the cat among the pigeons when he examined one
of these engines which was supposed to have 5 broken stays and reported that
there were in fact 160! Following this, at 5.30 p.m. just when we were all
going home on the ist March 1937 a telephone message was received from the
Divisional Office at Crewe to the effect that none of the engines in question
were to go out again until the fireboxes had been examined. This caused con
siderable commotion as there were about 7 engines of this class at Llandudno
Junction and no others with which to replace them. For the next few days
everybody was "steel-stay mad" and all in authority were trying to check
each other and the boilersmiths in the detection of broken steel stays. However
no alarming cases were discovered and it was eventually decided that the
Crewe boilersmith had been mistaken.
Essery, Terry. How it was done.
Part 2. Disposal. LMS Journal, 2005 (10) 54-68.
Noted that most of the class 5 required the removal of some of the
firebars unless equipped with rocking grates and hopper ashpans.
Essery, Terry. Steam
locomotives compared. Penryn: Atlantic, 1996. 160pp. Chapter 11
Found the cab to be very easy to work in
Fore, J. Footplate impressions.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1955, 45, 31 7-21. (Paper No.
546).
A graduate apprentice's impressions of a number of LMR designs including
the class 5. For an engine of nominal tractive effort of about 25,000 lb.,
these are indeed a most capable locomotive. Very impressive is the performance
of these engines on the heavy express freight trains which link London with
the industrial cities of the North West and Scotland. While this class is
not so prone to rolling and swaying at speed as the express passenger 4-6-0s,
the knocking and vertical vibration usually associated with two-cylinder
designs is very noticeable when the engines are becoming due for shop repairs.
Their ability to work hard, however, does not seem to be prejudiced to any
great extent by this roughness.
Hall, Stanley. Railway milestones and
millstones: triumphs and disasters in British railway history. 2006.
Milestone: "the 'Duchesses' were a huge success":
Hall, Stanley. Railway milestones and
millstones: triumphs and disasters in British railway history. 2006.
Milestone: "one of the most successful engines ever designed" (page
62):
Harris, Michael. The British Caprotti story. Part 2.
Steam Wld, 1992 (65),
31-4.
Brief coverage of Caprotti fitted Class 5 and Bond's view that gear
might have become standard,
Hunt, David and
Bob Essery and Fred James with David Jennison and David Clarke. The mixed
traffic class 5s. Part 1. Nos. 5000-5224. LMS Locomotive Profile No.
5.
The not quite standard class 5s: the first 225 locomotives had
non-standard boilers with a vertical throat plate. These were constructed
in 1934 and 1935. This covers some of the same ground as
Powell's Stanier locomotive classes (below).
Further information LMS Journal (9),
35-40..
Hunt, David, Fred
James and Bob Essery with David Jennison and David Clarke. The mixed traffic
class 5s. Part 2. Walschaerts and Stephenson valve gear engines from the
5225-5499 and 4658-4999 series. 128pp incl. folding diag. LMS
Locomotive Profile No. 6.
A work of quite extraordinary depth which manages to make the "standard"
class appear far less so: includes some modifications which do not appear
to have been noted in contemporary literature, and some proposed modifications
of great interest. One of the most interesting was the fitting of Nos. 44718
to 44727 withh steel inner fireboxes. These were sent to Scotland where they
worked north of Glasgow and performed excellently (page 30 plus note 10 which
gives more information about the use of steel fireboxes in Britain prior
ro Bulleid, notably that by Webb and by T.W. Worsdell). Proposed modifications
included the use of a La Mont water-tube boiler (1937/8), a Lemaitre multiple
blastpipe in 1950 (Derby drawing) and a Franco-Crosti boiler (but this was
for BR 73XXX type, KPJ). In the 1950s and 1960s trials of monolithic cast
in situ refractory concrete fire arches were made. The illustrations are
purposeful: note for instance those relating to speed recording apparatus
and self-weighing tenders. Even the more decorative are indicative of something
deeper (and more reliable) as with that of Nos. 44943 and 45274 hauling the
Royal Train in July 1955 on page 86. This is one of the best locomotive
monographs ever produced and sadly makes some of the earlier ones in the
same series look somewhat impoverished..
K., J. Do you agree that this iswhy the Black Staniers
knock? Locomotive
Express, 1949,
4, 84-5+ diagram (side & front elevations)
Problem especially severe in Horwich built locomotives at Perth and
on the left hand side (right hand side when running in reverse)
Jenkinson, David. The 'domeless' LMS Class 5 4-6-0s.
Modellers Backtrack, 1992,
2, 236-47.
The early domeless locomotives also included the four named locomotives.
This is mainly about the construction of models in 4mm and 7mm scale, but
includes information and some excellent illustrations about the prototypes.
Jennison, John. A
detailed history of the Stanier Class Five 4-6-0s. Volume 1 -
Nos.5000-5471. Railway Correspondence & Travel Society, (Locomotives
of the LMS series). 288pp.
Reviewed in
Backtrack, 2014, 28, 126: also seen at NRM:
appears to be an excellent work. Its strengths include the prelude to the
design as an "improved Prince of Wales": this was a saga of epic proportions
and included both inside and outside cylinder designs fitted with Caprotti
valve gear and a brief mention of the light 4-6-0 for lines like the Callander
& Oban line. Pp. 92-3 cover the name Queen's Edinburgh and official
references to the intended naming in 1937: photographic evidence is still
lacking!.
Jennison, John. A detailed history of the Stanier Class
Five 4-6-0s. Volume 2 on 45472-45499, 44658-44999. Railway Correspondence
and Travel Society in the 'locomotives of the LMS' Series. Hardback, 256pp.
MB *****
Langridge, E.A.
LMS 4-6-0s on and off the drawing board. [Part 3 ?]. Steam Wld, 1997
(123), 16-21.
It is difficult to cite this messy journal (but this appeared to be
Part 3 and certainly ends on page 21. The excellent article certainly covers
the Class 5 and its origins as an improved Prince of Wales. This project
began under Beames and involved T.G. Lightburn, the draughtsman at Crewe.
Caprotti valve gear was proposed with inside cylinders and the poppet valves
outside the main frames. A 2-8-0 with outside cylinders and inside poppet
valves was being develped at the same time. Some consideration was given
by "JH" to alter the wheel base of the "improved Prince of Wales". The frame
spacing was different from that adopted for the 5XP Jubilees and Langridge
stated that neither Whale nor Drummond would have tolerated such a lack of
standardization as it reduced the number of parts common to the two classes.
The Vulcan Foundry lot emerged as a typical "contract shop" design in the
shape of the cylinders, the high running plate and the exposed valve gear.
The effect was not new: Urie had introduced it in 1913 and Finlayson was
a "contract shop" man. The Kings Arthurs (N15) and class 5 were very
similar. Several Swindon features of the class 5 were unsatisfactory, notably
the brake hangers and the pressed in oiling rings. The class suffered from
a very high level of knock..
Langridge, E.A. Under
ten CMEs. 2011. pp. 91; 170
When you think of the two classes of the SECR, and later the SR, it
seems strange that on the LMS no efforts were made to use the Horwich 2-6-0
parts as future standards. It may be mentioned - although this is another
tale - that this obstinacy went right through to Stanier class '5' 4-6-0s
and 'Jubilees', which had absurd little differences of detail which would
never have arisen if rivalry between the design offices had been scotched
at the beginning of the amalgamation.
Coleman's scheme was chosen, and before all the drawings had been completed
an order for 50 had been placed with VuIcan Foundry. They may have actually
done some of the design themselves; much of the design bears their stamp,
and it is interesting to note that Charles Finlayson, brother of J.J. at
Eastleigh and uncle of TS. (then at Gorton and lastly, at Derby), was Chief
draughtsman at Vulcan. The Vulcan Foundry-built engines Nos. 5020-69 started
appearing first, Crewe producing Nos. 5000-19 shortly afterwards. There seems
to be a likeness between the class '5' and the LSWR 'H15' in details. In
general there was nothing new about these engines for Urie had introduced
his two cylinder, outside gear pattern 4-6-0 back in 1913 (incidentally his
chief draughtsman was contract-shop trained) and the SR had perpetuated it
in the 'King Arthur' design, which had quite similar dimensions to the class
'5'. Thus, even with moderate superheat, there was no reason why the 'Black
Staniers' should not have got a good reputation from the first.
Livesay, E.H. Scottish locomotive experiences. No. 5L.M.S.R
. GlasgowInverness trains "5XP" and "5P" [sic] class engines.
Engineer, 1939, 168, 390-2. 3 illus., table.
A North American's? impressions of the class as judged by footplate
riding.
L.M.S. class 5 4-6-0 boiler variations. Rly Obsr, 1948, 18,
138.
L.M.S. class 5 4-6-0 boiler variations. Rly Obsr, 1959, 29,
35-6.
L.M.S. class 5 4-6-0 frame changes. Rly Obsr, 1959, 29, 361-3.
table.
The production line repair methods employed at Crewe and Derby led
to much inter-change between boilers and frames (including nominally incompatible
combinations of the two).
Meeting current steam locomotive demands. Loco. Rly Carr.Wagon
Rev., 1958, 64, 41-3. 3 illus.
Criticism of the L.M.S. small engine policy, particularly the use
of the class 5 and Jubilees on Midland Division expresses.
O.S. Nock. Developments and trials. Locomotive Causerie No. 178.
Railway Wld., 1955, 16,
97-100.
Trials of LMS Class 5 4-6-0 No, 44776 with seven coaches on
Lickey Incline without a banking engine and with eight coaches by Jubilee
class No. 45554 Ontario (illustrations of both tests) which included
restarting on bank
Nock, O.S. . The locomotives of Sir William Stanier. Part IV.
Locomotive Mag., 1958, 64,
163-7. 3 illustrations, 4 tables
Class 5 4-6-0: tabulates boiler types, the mileages achieved by
locomotives fitted with manganese axlebox liners and argues that suuperior
on express passenger work to both the Claughton and L&YR 4-6-0 ttypes
and the greater haulage capacity of the Class 5 than the Highland Railway
Castles and Claans.
Phillips, K.R..How fast
did 'Black Fives' really go? Steam Wld, 2006, (224), 50.
Examines several earlier claims and suggests 95 mile/h at Elstow on
26 May 1960.
Poultney, E.G. Locomotive coal trials. Engineer, 1960,
209, 462-6.9 diagrs., 6 tables. (REA 13258).
A review of tests performed at the Rugby Test Plant on the effect
of small coal on the steaming capacity of this and the Jubilee
classes.
Poultney, E.G. Steam locomotion
: the construction, working principles, and practical operation
of steam locomotives, edited by C.R.H.Simpson. 1951.
The frontispiece of the second volume is a coloured, "exploded" diagram
of a class 5 locomotive.
Powell, A.J. The Armstrong
Whitworth 'black fives'. Rly Wld, 1987, 48 (568),
475-9.
1462 steam locomotives were built at Scotswood from 1919, One hundred
locomotives (Works numbers 1166-1265) 5125-5224 cost £5375 each. A further
227 with sloping throat plates (WN 1280-1506) 5225-5451 cost £6244 each.
4500 tons of castings were manufactured in Letchworth. Frame cracking was
a problem.
Powell, A.J. Living with London Midland
locomotives. 1977.
Chapter 6: Class 5 - the engineman's friend.
Powell, A.J.: "45671", pseud. Slogging over the Peak, Rly
Wld, 1964, 25, 410-14.
Powell, A.J.
Stanier locomotive classes. 1991. Pp. 30-41.
Class 5-4-6-0: This is a thorough examination of the relatively large
number of modifications wrought on this supposedly standard class, one of
the major of which was so substantial that the boilers were not interchangeable,
except that St Rollox Works managed to fit the non-interchangeable boilers,
presumably due to a shortage of suitable replacements. The Caprotti valve
gear locomotives are treated separately. In the more recent book by
Hunt, Essery et al (above) the first 225 locomotives
(that is those with the incompatable, and inferior, vertical throat boilers)
are treated separately.
Rimmer, Alan. Testing times at Derby: a 'Privileged' view
of steam. Usk: Oakwood, 2004. 120pp.
(RS14)
Was involved in the tests on No. 44764: pp. 58-9
Rogers, H.C.B. Last
steam locomotive engineer: R.A. Riddles, C.B.E. 1970.
The two-cylinder 4-6-0s gave excellent service from the start... The
Class 5 Mixed Traffic 4-6-0s, or, as they were called 'Black Staniers' or
'Black Fives' (from their colour as compared with the red Jubilees), were
developed from Stanier's 2-6-0s and were excellent engines from the start.
But even they were not free from trouble. Whilst Stanier was in India in
1936-7, F.A. Lemon, Works Superintendent at Crewe, drew Riddles' attention
to the boiler of one of the Class 5s. In order to save weight the firebox
shell had been made of nickel steel plates with steel stays between the inner
box and outer shell. A large number of these stays had fractured on both
sides of the engine and the firebox was bulging both inside and out. Lemon
said that this was the second engine of the class they had found like this.
Riddles promptly gave instructions that boiler inspectors were to make a
point of examining boilers in service at the first opportunity. Within 24
hours Lemon rang Riddles at Euston to say that his men had found seven more
engines with this defect. Riddles immediately gave instructions that no more
Class 5s were to go out of the sheds until they had been examined by boiler
inspectors. He passed this information to the Motive Power Superintendent
by telephone. (S. J. Symes, the Chief Stores Superintendent was actually
acting CME in Stanier's absence, but he was sick.) Riddles went home to a
peaceful night's rest; but when he came back to duty the next morning he
found that a monumental 'flap' had developed. Two Vice-Presidents were awaiting
him at Euston, Ernest Lemon and Sir Harold Hartley. The latter had heard
the news whilst at Oxford and had returned hurriedly to London. He was most
disturbed at Riddles' action, as he believed that taking all these engines
out of traffic would stop the line. Riddles, however, explained that if he
had not stopped engines in this condition from being used and if in conseqence
there had been a fatal accident, he, as officiating CME, would have been
criminally responsible. He could not therefore cancel his instructions.
Ultimately, investigation revealed that through a design error the stays
concerned had been made with a centre portion slightly less in diameter than
was desirable; when this was adjusted no further trouble occurred.
Rowledge,
J.W.P. and Brian Reed. The Stanier 4-6-0s of the LMS. (the
Jubilees, class 5s and the BR Standard class 5s). Newton Abbot: David
& Charles, 1977.
Rich source of concise information.
Soden, James. No romance.
Rly Wld., 2010, (277),
40-5..
Found emptying grate more difficult on Stanier class than on B1
Stokes, Ken. Both sides of the footplate. Truro: Bradford
Barton, [1985?]. Chap. 8.
Was involved in fuel consumption trials with No. 4986 and a self-weighing
tender on a variety of imortant workings from Millhouse mpd (Sheffield),
including to St Pancras and to Manchester Sheffield.
Thomson, W. Discussion
on Burrows, M.G. and Wallace, A.L. Experience with the steel fireboxes
of the Southern Region Pacific locomotives. J. Instn Loco. Engrs,
1958, 48, 297-8. (Paper No. 584)
Whilst the steel fireboxes fitted to the WD 2-10-0s were remarkably free
from trouble and firebox stays lasted for fifteen years, the class 5s fitted
with steel fireboxes experienced more problems and stay life was only nine
years.. ..
Thorley, W.G.F.. discussion on Tuplin, W.A. Some questions
about the steam locomotive. J. Instn
Loco. Engrs., 1953, 43, 698.(Paper No. 528).
"The first two" Princess" class Pacific locomotives of the former
LMS Railway had 32-element superheaters fitted in place of the original
16-element apparatus after only a short period of service, and the steaming
was improved thereby. Tuplin had said in the discussion that the firebox
volume was increased at the same time as the additional superheating surface
was provided and therefore the value of the latter could not be assessed
accurately, but in this connection it was pointed out that the number of
elements had been increased without increase of firebox volume in both the
Classes 5 MT and 5 XP locomotives of the same railway, as compared with the
original arrangement and the steaming had been improved. The superheater
had the advantage that, provided the flue tubes were kept reasonably clean,
its efficiency remained unimpaired as the boiler scaled up internally; also
it was sometimes able to evaporate water during periods of priming, which
would be carried over into the cylinders of a saturated
engine..
Topham, W.L. The
running man's ideal locomotive. J. Instn Loco. Engrs., 1946,
36, 3-29. Disc.: 29-91. (Paper No. 456)
In spite of stating need for 3-cylinder type for many duties Topham
acknowledged the excellence of the LMS Class 5 design
van Riemsdijk, J.T. Compound
locomotives: an International survey. 1994.
Any two-cylinder engine, then, but especially any engine with two
outside cylinders only, has to have its balancing designed to some sort of
compromise. If there is little balance of reciprocating masses, then the
pull at the drawbar will fluctuate widely with each rotation of the wheels,
once a reasonable speed has been attained. If, on the other hand, a high
proportion of the reciprocating masses is balanced, then the result will
be a lack of rotative balance and at high running speeds the wheels will
pound the track and may even lift clear of it for some part of every revolution.
This latter phenomenon was clearly demonstrated in trials of the LMS Class
5 which have been fully reported. It should also be pointed out that this
phenomenon of pounding, known as 'hammer-blow, is 'a material factor to the
bridge engineer. As for the fluctuation in draw bar pull produced by two
small a degree of reciprocating balance, it is worth recording that a fluctuation
as great as twelve tons per revolution was measured in high speed running
by BR 'Britannia' Pacifics and Class 9F 2-10-0s, and by GWR Hawksworth 'County'
4-6-0s. The trouble was apparently cured by changing the coupling between
engine and tender and allowing the tender to reduce the effect on the train,
but it is none the less clear that large two-cylinder locomotives should
not be allowed to run as fast as modern valve gear design permits.
Names
Four, possibly five, locomotives were named (see below for two). The
other two were 5154 Lanarkshire Yeomanry and 5156 Ayrshire
Yeomanry. No. 5155 Queens Edinburgh may have been named thus in
December 1942, but lost it 1944: see Rowledge and Reed
page 74.
[NAMED class 5 locomotives: Nos. 5157 The Glasgow Highlander and 5158
The Glasgow Yeomanry. Rly Mag., 1936, 79, 74.
Class 5: Fairburn/lvatt modifications
c.1944 : application of manganese steel axlebox liners.
Bond, R.C. Organisation and control of locomotive repairs on British
Railways. J.Instn Loco.Engrs,
1953, 43, 175-216. Disc.:217-65. (Paper No.520).
Includes comparative mileage statistics for the ordinary (56,969)
and manganese steel axlebox fitted locomotives (97,291).
Cox, E.S. Locomotive axleboxes.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1944, 34, 275-317. Disc.: 317-40: 1945,
35, 221-38: 1946 36, 171-6 (Paper No. 447).
Describes the original development work.
MANGANESE-STEEL axlebox liners. Rly Gaz., 1948, 88, 514-16.
4 diagrs.
1945- : Ivatt : Rocking grates and self cleaning
fireboxes.
Anwell, B.W. Recent L.M.S. locomotive developments. Rly Obsr,
1946,16, 35-6. LOCOMOTIVE grate and smokebox improvements on the L.M.S.
Rly Engng, 1946,161,103.
RECENT developments in L.M.S. locomotive practice. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon
Rev., 1946, 52, 82-5. 3 illus., 2 diagrs.
1947-: Ivatt : Experimental locomotives:
Double chimneys, roller bearings, Caprotti valve gear, external Stephenson
link motion, and combinations of some of these, were fitted to a batch of
class 5 4-6-0s. This anarchic sub-class vied with the Bulleid Q1 class for
ugliness and downright eccentricity (such as the use of substantial splashers
coupled with American-style cabs).
LOCOMOTIVE valve gears and bearings: British Railways (London Midland Region).
Engineering, 1948, 165, 272-3; 276. 2 illus., 2 diagrs. (REA
2635).
LONDON Midland Region locomotive developments. Rly Gaz., 1948,
88, 215-19. 5 illus., 3 diagrs. (s. & f.els.)
LONDON Midland Region locomotive developments. Rly Mag., 1948,
94, 163-5.3 illus., 2diagrs. (s. els.)
LONDON Midland Region loco. experiments.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1948, 54, 33-4. 2 illus.
LONDON, Midland Region locos. with Caprotti gear.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1948,
54, 51-4. illus., 5 diagrs. (incl.. s. el.)
includes detailed general arranngement drawing of gear
NEW British steam locomotive designs. Trains ill., 1948, 1,
(9), 3-7. 6 illus., table.
1951-: Improved Caprotti valve gear.
L.M.R. locomotive with improved British-Caprotti valve gear. Rly Gaz.,
1951, 95, 632-3. 4 illus. (REA 6943).
Powell (below) notes that 44686/7
were fitted with an improved form of the valve gear nd SKF roller bearings:
the valve gear demanded a very high running plate.
Retrospective and critical
Chancellor, Paul. Mr Stanier's 11 varieties!
Steam Wld, 2006 (229)
22-7.
Some of the many variants of the Standard class 5 introduced mainly
by Stanier's successor Ivatt: Caprotti valve gear, Stephenson link motion,
double chimneys, raised running plates, roller bearings and steel fireboxes
are illuustrated as some of the many variants.
See letter from John Raines (No. 234 p. 23) which disputes some of
information. John Raines questions some of the information presented:
Steam Wld (234) 23.
Illus.
Nock, O.S. British locomotives
of the 20th century. Volume 2. 1930-1960. 1984. page 149.
Generally this use of poppet valve gear differed from most others
previously tried in this country in that the standard engine was re-designed
where necessary to suit the valve gear, rather than the reverse. Thus the
valve gear incorporated all those features which the wide experience of the
manufacturers had shown desirable, without imposing the restrictions that
were sometimes necessary when poppet valve gear had heen applied, with all
the appearance of a 'last hope', to some existing locomotive of doubtful
capacity. Thus the valve gear was given a real chance. The reversing gear
in the cab was so arranged that the same number of turns was required to
work the gear from full forward to full reverse as with the standard piston
valve gear, so as to avoid any confusion on the part of the drivers.
The comparison between Class '5' engines fitted with the Walschaerts and Caprotti gear was naturally not confined solely to coal consumption and repair charges. It was possible that one or other of the afternative arrangements under investigation might show enhanced power per unit of weight, which called for special consideration. This possihility would have concerned to no less extent the third valve gear under observation, the Stephenson Link Motion on engine No 4767. From examination it seemed that the layout of the gear on that engine closely resembled that of the Great Western 'Hall', particularly on the shortness of the eccentric rods. This feature tends to accentuate the characteristic of the gear, whereby the lead increases as the cut-off is shortened. On the Great Western engines the lead, which was adequate for fast running when the cut off is 20 to 25 per cent was reduced to nothing at all at about 40 to 50 per cent, and with the gear still further forward the lead became negative. This setting had the effect of giving enhanced power at slow speeds, very rapid acceleration, and a capacity for hard slogging on heavy gradients which Walschaert engines with a constant lead of 3/16 inch to ¼ inch do not possess.
The trial of Stephenson Link Motion on so excellent an engine as the Stanier was therefore something of an event. The fitting of the gear outside the frames was decided upon for two reasons: to have it in a similar position to the Walschaerts, so that comparative costs for maintenance should be on the fairest basis; to avoid the use of the heavy eccentrics which long valve travel would otherwise require. On the score of maintenance alone the case for putting valve gear, Stephenson or Walschaerts, outside was not by any means clear cut. With outside gear if a big end was to be taken down, the motion had also to be partly dismantled, with consequent re-assembly afterwards whereas in a similar case inside motion need not be touched.
Subsequent history seems to have shown that the results did not favour
the Caprotti gear. I have never seen any official statements to this effect,
but no more locomotives were built with it. My own experience travelling
as a passenger behind the Caprotti Class '5' engines, and one trip from Leeds
to Carlisle on the footplate suggested that those engines were singularly
lacking in plain 'guts' in getting away with a load and in climbing a gradient.
They ran very freely on the faster stretches of line but sometimes the loss
of time on the adverse sections was more than could be recovered afterwards.
My trip on the footplate, with the 'Thames Forth Express', on one of
the Caprotti engines fitted with roller hearings, was very disappointing.
The engine steamed well enough hut seemed quite unable to produce any appreciable
power from the cylinders, and with a not-immoderately heavy load of 300 tons
gross hehind we lost quite a lot of time, particularly between Settle Junction
and Blea Moor.
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp. 42-5
Unfortunately, either the publisher or the author failed to provide
Chapter numbers, but Class 5 - 4-6-0 Caprotti valve gear is treated separately
and follows the main section on the class. There were many minor modifications
to this sub-class, including the fitting and removal of double
chimneys.
Performance
Nock, O.S. British locomotive practice and performance.
Rly Mag., 1962, 108,
245-74.
Includes logs of some very fast runs with Stanier Class 5 locomotives,
mainly on very short trains, between Manchester Victoria and Liverpool Exchange.
Two were timed in January 1939 on non-stop workings when No. 5209 reached
90 mile/h at Kirkby on a four-coach westbound express and No. 5204 maintained
the 45 minute schedule with 9 coaches on the 10.40 ex-Liverpool. Under British
Railways No. 44767 (fitted with Stephenson link motion) achieved 80 mile/h
at Rainford; 44987 achieved 84 mile/h at Rainford: both on 14.40 ex Manchester
Victoria which stopped at Wigan Wallgate. No. 44782 reached 80 mile/h at
Parbold between Wigan Wallgate and Southport St Lukes.
Ransome-Wallis, P. On railways
at home an abroad. London: Batchworth, 1951. 300 pp. + plates. 102
illus., maps.
Pp. 103-7: Footplate observations made on No. 45106 on 06.50 Carlisle
Upperby to Crewe freight: scheduled arrival 13.45: actual arrival
18.45!
2-6-0
5:1933:
This was Stanier's first LMS design to be completed. It was a taper-boiler
version of the Hughes/Folwer class 5 2-6-0 and was notable for its introduction
of Churchward practice to the LMS. The first locomotive even had a typical
Swindon safety valve cover, but this was quickly removed
(see Cox Locomotive panorama).
The cylinder layout was adjusted to normal practice (the Horwich design had
steeply sloping cylinders to meet the peculiarly restricted LMS gauge).
L.M.S. Railway redesigned goods engine. Engineer, 1934, 157,
80. illus.
The designation "goods engine" is interesting: other contemporary
accounts refered to "mixed traffic".
NEW L.M.S.R. 2-6-0 mixed traffic locomotives. Rly Engr. 1934,
55, 58-9. illus., diagr. (s. el.)
NEW 2-6-0 locomotives, L.M.&S. Railway.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1934,
40, 32-3. illus., diagr. (s.& f.els.)
NEW 2-6-0 mixed traffic locomotives. Rly Mag., 1934, 74, 148-9.
illus., diagr. (s.el.)
REDESIGNED 2-6-0 locomotives, L.M.S.. Rly Obsr, 1934, 6, 30-1.2
illus.
2-6-0 type two cylinder locomotive, L.M.S.R.. Engineering, 1934,
137, 76. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.)
Retrospective and critical
Clarke, Jeremy. In praise of the moguls. Part two.
Backtrack,
2020, 34, 169
Being placed first does not imply superiority. A general survey
of the type back to Massey Bromley in Part
1
Cox, E.S. Locomotive panorama.
v.1. 1965.
See drawing on p. 110 and photographic illustration on plate 40 (f.p.
116) for the design as built with G.W.R. brass safety valve casing. The
photograph is believed to have been taken by N.H.Whitworth.
Essery, Bob. Genesis of the Stanier
2-6-0s. Steam Wld 1992 (57)
6-12.
Author states that design was essentially that of modifying Horwich
2-6-0 with a high pressure Swindon boiler (and this enabled the cylinders
to be repositioned). Original allocations and changes in boiler type (from
partially conical to fully coned) and in cylinder type). Illus.: 42961 on
passnger train leaving Chester (Eric Treacy); 2984 on two-coach stopping
train (Eric Treacy); 13245 with GWR-style safety valve bonnet: colour: 42966
on freight at Bradley (Gavin Morrison); 42975 at Willesden (Colour-Rail)
42960 on express near Lancaster in August 1962 (Keith R. Pirt), and 42957
at Oxley on 30 January 1966 (Ken Cooper); 13245 with tapered boiler on rear
section only and GWR-type safety valves (T.G. Hepburn); 13257 (as previous
boiler but with pop safety valves above firebox and whistle (not hooter)
clearly visible; 42954 at Derby on 10 July 1948
Fox, R. and Kinder, M. Relative values: the Hughes and Stanier 2-6-0s.
Br. Rlys ill., 2002, 11, 382-91; 460-9.
Stanier type not popular when shedded at Nuneaton.
Hooper, John. The Stanier moguls. Br. Rlys ill., 1993,
2, 60-9.
Includes details of comparative tests (against Hughes/Fowler type)
on freight trains between Manchester and London in July 1934 and between
Sheffield and Carlisle in July 1935: in the latter a table shows between
Skipton and Ais Gill. In this latter cylinders of 18in and 18½ diameter
were tested. Tables show numbers (originally 13245 et seq, later 2945
et seq and allocations. The boiler was unique to the
class.
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991. Pp. 26-9.
Class 5-2-6-0. The Hughes parallel boiler 2-6-0s (nicknamed
'Crabs') proved to be a highly competent and economical design, and building
continued from 1926 to 1932, by which time a fleet of 245 was in service.
When 40 more locomotives in this category were authorised in the 1933 Building
Programme, Stanier decided to change the design to incorporate his own ideas
of higher boiler pressure, modest superheat, a tapered boiler and smaller
cylinders which would not need to be so steeply inclined. Much of the design
work was done in the Horwich drawing office, and various details betrayed
this origin. The 40 locomotives were built in the short period of five months,
but were never added to, their role being taken over within months by the
new Class 5.
The boiler was of a similar diameter to those subsequently used on
the Jubilees and Class 5, but shorter. The barrel was in two rings,
the front one cylindrical and the second tapered, and the boiler clothing
reflected this shape. There was neither a dome nor the usual safety valves
on the firebox top; instead, the safety valves were combined with the top-feed
in a fitting on the boiler barrel, beneath a casing very similar to that
on GWR classes. The circular smokebox rested on a cast saddle of much heavier
appearance than Stanier's later fabricated saddles. Because the higher boiler
pressure allowed smaller cylinders to be used, these could be horizontal
while staying within the loading gauge. They had extended valve chests and
the clothing was almost square at the top. A crosshead-driven vacuum pump
was mounted below the bottom slidebar on the left-hand side. The wide gap
between the cylinder top and the plat form accommodated a snifting
valve.
A Horwich-style double side-window was fitted, and the class perpetuated
the Horwich practice of the front platform being narrower than that over
cylinders and motion, a feature which continued on the Class 5 4-6-0s and
Class 8F 2-8-0s. Only a single vacuum ejector was provided, the body of which
was much smaller than the two-ejector type; it was just in front of the cab
on the left side with long exhaust pipe to the smokebox.
A standard Fowler 3,500 gal tender, much narrower than the cab, was
attached. It had coal rails, but surprisingly no water scoop. The class appeared
at a time when snap-head rivets were displacing flush counter sunk ones,
and both cab and tender exhibited a positive rash of rivet heads.
Out-of-character features for the Stanier marque were the very shallow
platform valance angles (a long standing Horwich practice), the fitting of
steam sanding at a time when Stanier had 'imported' dry trickle sanding from
Swindon, and the use of a Midland whistle rather than the Caledonian-type
hooter. No. 13245 was fitted with a GWR style of safety valve bonnet but
this was removed in favour of something which looked like a cross between
a GWR bonnet and a dome: this was fitted to ten locomotive. Very angular
cylinder casings were fitted to the initial locomotives.
Ransome-Wallis, P., photographer. [Stanier class 5 2-6-0 with
safety valves on the top-feed casing]. Rly Mag., 1941, 87,
114. illus.
Published photographs showing the variant type of boiler with safety
valves on the top feed casing were comparatively rare in the
1960s.
Young, John and Tyreman,
David. The Hughes and Stanier 2-6-0s: locomotives of the LMS
series. 208pp.
Includes photograph on No. 13245 with Swindon type bonnet around safely
valves
Ivatt designs included two types of 2-6-0 and a 2-6-2T, modifications to the last two Stanier Pacifics and the diesel-electric six-axle locomotive No. 10000. See also Editorial in Locomotive Magazine (reproduced in full) published in February 1947 and based on an LMS press release which set out Company policy.
2: 1946: lvatt:
Most branch line and other secondary duties were performed by
a varied and ageing collection of 4-4-0s, 0-6-0s and tank engines. To replace
these Ivatt introduced two basically similar classes. These were the class
2 2-6-0 and 2-6-2T designs, which incorporated many modern features to facilitate
maintenance and reduce operating costs.
L.M.S.R. locomotive developments. Rly Mag., 1947, 93, 82; 84-7.
4 illus., 4 diagrs. (s. els.)
NEW L.M.S. locomotives. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1947, 53,
5-6; 16-17 4 illus., 2 diagrs. (s. & f. els.)
NEW L.M.S.R. locomotives: 2-6-0 tender and 2-6-2 tank locomotives for secondary
services. Rly Gaz., 1947, 86, 14-16. 5 illus., 2 diagrs. (s.
& f.els.)
Performance and testing
British Railways. British Railways standard.class 4 2 cyl. 4-6-0
mixed traffic locomotive. [3] ,9, [37] sheets. 2 illus., 44 diagrs. (incl.
s. & f. els.), 2 tables.
(Performance and efficiency
tests with live steam injector. Bulletin No. 4.)
Retrospective and critical
Seems impossible to believe that restricted to so few items.
Bond, R.C. Organisation and control
of locomotive repairs on British Railways. J. Instn Loco. Engrs,
1953, 43, 175. 216-65. (Paper No. 520).
Includes figures for the mileage obtained between overhauls for the
class; 104,304:
Clarke, Jeremy. In praise of the moguls. Part two.
Backtrack,
2020, 34, 169
Being placed first does not imply superiority. A general survey
of the 2-6-9 type back to Massey Bromley in
Part 1
Durrant, A.E. Swindon
apprentice. Cheltenham: Runpast, 1989. 216pp.
Page 148 for observations on Dean Goods superiority to this class
(prior to its modification)
Topping, Brian. Small, but perfectly formed...
Steam Wld, 2006, (228)
8-14.
LMS Ivatt light weight 2-6-0 and 2-6-2T designs, including tests performed
upon 2-6-0 No. 6419 between Crewe and Holyhead during 12-26 April 1947 with
270 tons at average speed of 46 mile/h. The locomotive steamed well and was
comfortable. Tests were also conducted at Swindon, both on the stationary
plant and in controlled road tests of No. 46413 (and subsequently 46424)
and Dean goods 0-6-0 2301 No. 2579 when a considerable amount of work on
draughting was required for the 2-6-0 to exceed the performance of the 0-6-0.
The colour illustrations show locomotives with the three types of chimney:
orginal, Dean goods type and a sort of compromise:
4: 1947: Ivatt:
This class was designed as a replacement for the 4F type 0-6-0, but
it incorporated all the features of modern design. Subsequently the type
was built for regions other than the LMR and later became a BR standard class.
Although some of the contemporary accounts relate to "freight locomotives"
they performed a considerable amount of passenger work notably on the Midland
& Great Northern lines in Norfolk and Lincolnshire..
LONDON Midland Region locomotive developments. Rly Gaz., 1948,
88, 215-19. 5 illus., 3 diagrs. (s. & f. els.)
LONDON Midland Region locomotive developments. Rly Mag., 1948,
94, 163-5. 3 illus., 2 diagrs. (s. els.)
LONDON Midland Region 2-6-0 locomotives. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev.,
1948, 54, 34-5. 2 illus., diagr. (s. el.)
NEW British steam locomotive designs. Trains ill., 1948,1(9),
3-7.6 illus., table.
NEW London Midland Region 2-6-0 freight locomotive. Railways, 1948,
9, 71-2.4 illus.
Testing
British Railways London Midland Region class 4 2 cylinder 2-6-0
mixed traffic locomotive. [London, British Transport Commission], 1951.
[41,7, [50] sheets. 65 diagrs. (incl. s. & f. els.), 3 tables.
(Performance
and efficiency tests with live steam injector. Bulletin No.3).
Retrospective
Bond, R.C. Organisation and control
of locomotive repairs on British Railways. J. Instn Loco. Engrs,
1953, 43, 175. 216-65. (Paper No. 520).
Includes figures for the mileage obtained between overhauls for the
class: 90,663
Clarke, Jeremy. In praise of the moguls. Part two.
Backtrack,
2020, 34, 169
Being placed first does not imply superiority. A general survey
of the 2-6-0 type back to Massey Bromley in
Part 1
Horton, John A. LMS Ivatt 4F Moguls,
1948-52. Br. Rly J. LMS Special Ed., 1988, 61-4.
The 'Doodlebugs' were probably the ugliest locomotives to run on the
home railways (Horton's words, although KPJ is in complete
agreement)
Morrison, Gavin. Judging by the looks of them.
Backtrack, 2022, 36,
611-13
Colour photo-feature of Ivatt Class 4 2-6-0 introduced in 1947:
includes photograph of one which ended up in the street at Laisterdyke when
in failed to stop on down 1 in 70 gradient.
Tester, Adrian.
A defence of the Midland/ LMS Class 4 0-6-0. Aberystwyth: Crimson
Lake, 2013. 274pp.
Reviewed in depth by Phil Atkins
in Backtrack, 2013, 27, 574. Tester is highly critical
of this design, especially in terms of economic value.
Topping, Brian. Pigs can fly!
Steam Wld, 2007 (243)
8-14.
Design shared much of the boiler design of the later 2-6-4Ts, but
had to have smaller bore cylinders to meet the requirements of the Civil
Engineer. Thus a highr working pressure had to be useed. The locomotives
were fitted with self-cleaning smokeboxes, rocker grates, hopper ashpans
and double chimneys. The locomotives initially steamed badly and steaming
tests were conducted between Crewe and Holyhead with No. 43027 and modifications
were made to the size of the choke on the blastpipes. The locomotive was
returned to Horwich and fitted with a single chimney, initially one of the
class 5 type and subsequently with that for a type 4 2-6-4T. Further tests
were conducted at and from Swindon with a Darlington-built locomotive fitted
with a stovepipe chimney which was capable of rapid modification. The Swindon
tests had shown that the locomotive was mechanically rough, but the writer
claims that this was not so in ordinary service.
Nicknames
Charlton, Bobby. Now
that fireman is identified! . Steam Wld, 2008, (254) 20.
Letter notes that Class 4 known as 'nut & bolters' at
Boston.
Tank engines
Stanier modifications
Stanier was responsible for three versions of this design,
which originated in 1927 under Fowler. The
first Stanier version was introduced in 1933 and was the Fowler design, modified
with a side-window cab and doors. This type was also the subject of
experiments in welding. In 1934 a
three-cylinder taper-bailer class was built for the Southend line, which
was followed in 1935 by a taper-boiler variant of
the two-cylinder Fowler locomotives. The final version was
that introduced under Fairburn which had a shorter
wheelbase..
1933 : parallel-boiler/modified cab.
L.M.S. tank locomotive. Engineer, 1933, 156, 406.
illus.
New 2-6-4 type tank locomotives, L.M. & S. Railway. Loco. Rly
Carr. Wagon Rev., 1933, 39, 317. illus.
1934: No.2424
(a parallel-bailer locomotive with modified cab) incorporated a number
of welded parts, notably the cylinders and pony truck. The Stanier paper
is a general review of British activity, but it, naturally reflects this
particular experiment.
ELECTRICALLY-WELDED cylinders for 2-6-4 type tank locomotive L.M.S.R..
Engineering, 1934, 137, 551. 3iIlus.
FABRICATED locomotive cylinders. Engineer, 1934, 157, 477.
3 illus.
FABRICATION of locomotive components. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1934,
24, 153-6. 4 illus.
NOTES on welding in locomotive workshops. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev.,
1934, 40, 258-62; 283-4. 3 ilIus., 8 diagrs.
Stanier, WA. Welding in British railways (mechanical engineering)
[in: IRON and Steel Institute Symposium on the welding of iron and steel.
London, Iron and Steel Institute, 1935.
See v. 1 pp.349-56 + 6 plates. 36 illus. and the general discussions pp.
409-26 and 424-5.
1934 : three-cylinder design.
L.M.S. Railway-three-cylinder tank engines. Engineer, 1934,
157, 337. illus.
New locomotives for the L.M.S.R.. Rly Engr, 1934, 55, 148-54.8
illus.,
7 diagrs. (incl. 2 s. els)
Includes sectionalized diagrams and notes on the components common
to the "Jubilee" class, which is also described.
New three-cylinder 2-6-4 tank engines, L.M.S.R.. Rly Mag.,
1934, 74, 317; 350. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.), table.
Three-cylinder 2-6-4 passenger tank engine, L.M. & S. Ry.. Loco.
Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1934, 40, 102-4. illus., diagr. (s.&
f.els.)
Three-cylinder 2-6-4 type tank locomotive for the L.M.S.R.
Engineering, 1934, 137, 386. 2 illus., diagr. (s. & f.
els.)
Retrospective & critical
Broadbent, William Benedict as told via Edward Talbot.
The road to Holyhead. Part Two.
Backtrack, 2011, 25,
598-603.
superb Stanier three-cylinder 2-6-4 tank engines on which the
"acceleration was electric"
Churcher, Colin J. The L.T. & S. 2-6-4 tanks.
Rly Wld, 1962, 23,
179.
Re L.M.S. and B.R. 2-6-4 tank engines. In summer of 1961 writer worked
at Shoeburyness (L.T.S.) motive power depot and fired the Stanier three-cylinder
and Fairburn two-cylinder varieties of the L.M.S. and also the standard type.
The following notes may be of interest.
In general, the older L.T. & S. drivers seemed to prefer the three-cylinder
engines, while the younger drivers and firemen preferred the standard engines.
It is easy to see why the firemen like the standards. The rocking grates
take much of the hard work out of cleaning the fire (he once put one away
in 10-15min, with the driver's help) but difficulties may arise if a broken
piece of brick arch gets stuck in the bars. Another advantage is that both
steam and water controls for the two injectors are conveniently placed so
that the fireman can set either injector without leaving his seat. On the
other hand the standard engines have several disadvantages. Drivers complain
that these engines are very hot. Several controls, blower, brakes, etc. are
placed in between the drivtng position and the fire. The driver is further
protected by a metal sheet which extends from the back-plate into the cab.
It seems that these must absorb the heat from the fire to make the driver's
position almost unbearable in summer, but he did not notice this from the
fireman's side.
Another disadvantage was that the lookout was so placed that one had to crane
one's neck all the time; this is paniculurly bad for the shorter drivers.
Perhaps the worst part of the standard 2-6-4 tanks was that there was an
exposed steam pipe fixed to the boiler barrel in such a position as to appear
to be a continuation of the hand railing. He had seen several nasty burns
sustained by firemen when filling the tanks of these engines.
The L.M.S. engines did have their disadvantages. Only a few were fitted with
rocking bars and so all the clinker has to come out through the firehole
and the ash pan had to be emptied by hand, However, the general opinion seemed
to be that a Starrier three-cylinder in good condition was equal, if not
superior. to the other types. It seems sirmificnnt that as far as he knew
the fastest train in between Southend and London, the 09.05. was never hauled
by a standard. He personally preferred the Fairburn engines; the Staniers
tended to throw the heat back more.
Cox, E.S. discussion on Cocks, C.S. History of Southern Railway locomotives
to 1938. J. Instn Loco. Engrs., 1948,
38, 831-2. (Paper No. 481)
Gave information on the 3-cylinder 2-6-4Ts versus the two-cylinder
type: coal consumption 54 lb/mile as against 51.5 (1936-8); and mileage between
repairs (46,465 vs 53,390 over the period 1945-7).
Garraway, Allan. Garraway:
father and son. Midhurst: Middleton Press, 1985.
Considered them to be best British tank enginne design, especially
three-cylinder type which ran like sewing machines on Shoeburyneess to Fenchurch
Street services of which he had personal experience
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991.
Class 4 three-cylinder 2-6-4T. Pp. 22-5: Powell notes that the
2-cylinder 2-6-4T was barred from Fenchurch Street, but that a 3-cylinder
design wiith improved balancing and reduced hammer-blow would be acceptable
to the LNER's Civil Engineer (although Powell failed to recognize the
significance of this aspect). It was also considered that the 3-cylinder
design would give improved acceleration and Powell considered that the design
"proved ideally suited to the difficult conditions on the Tilbury
section".
Riemsdijk, John van. The London
suburban tank engine. . 81-93.
The author favoured speccialist locomotives foe suburban working citing
the French 2-8-2Ts usd on push & pull services. Thus this class was favoured
noting that the Stanier 3-cylinder 2-6-4Ts for the LTSR Section may have
exploited three cyclinders to reduce hammer blow to enable them to work into
Fenchurch Street
Rogers,
H.C.B. Transition from
steam. London: Ian Allan, 1980. 128pp.records R.G. Jarvis's
comments on the rebuilt Bulleid Pacifics and observed: 'I suppose that
locomotives with three cylinders, all driving on the second pair of coupled
wheels, and having three independent sets of Walschaerts valve gear are rare,
but Stanier's 3-cylinder 2-6-4 tank for the Tilbury section is a
precedent'.
Specht, John E. Steam on the misery
line [London, Tilbury and Southend line]. Backtrack, 1998, 12,
588-93.
Steam working on the LTSR section with particular attention being
made to the Stanier three-cylinder 2-6-4Ts. As built the locomotives had
jumper blastpipes and low superheat, but three locomotives (Nos. 2505, 2513
and 2523) were modified to accept high superheat boilers from the two-cylinder
type. Nos. 2500 to 2524 were originally fitted with limousine cabs (which
were popular with the crews, but seven had the doors and windows removed.
The last twelve were fitted with half doors. Gravity sanding was replaced
by steam sanding. The three-cylinder locomotives were sent to the Midlands
during WW2. 42530 and 42535 were sent to Ardrossan, then to Corkerhill and
eventually to Greenock and were used as bankers to Beattock, but were eventually
returnded to the LTSR. Two Fowler 2-6-4Ts were sent to the line, but were
very uncomfortable for bunker-first running. The Standard 2-6-4Ts were prone
to slipping when running bunker-first and the cabs were very cold. They also
lacked the acceleration provided by the three-cylinder locomotives. The author
considered that the Stanier tank engines were capable of very fast running
with heavy loads. The Hudd automatic train control system was highly successful.
Due to the hardness of the water boiler maintenance was very heavy on the
line and large quantities of scale had to be removed. Afloc was eventually
used from the 1950s and this led to continuous blowdown being replaced by
a more rigorous system. Colour illus: 0-6-2T No 41987 at Plaistow in 1958
(E.V. Fryer); 4-4-2T No 41978 at Shoeburness shed in March 1956 (T.B. Owen);
three-cylinder 2-6-4T No 42532 at Chalkwell in September 1959 (Allan Morris);
2-6-4T No 80133 at Plaistow on train in May 1959 (T.B. Owen) (all colour:
remainder b&w); Stanier 2-6-4T No 2519 with Fenchurch destination board
at Shoeburyness in 1939 (P. Ransome-Wallis); Stanier 2-6-4T No 2522 with
Southend headboard; 2-6-4T No 42505 passing Ripple Lane marshalling yard
bunker-first on 29 June 1959 (F. Church); 2-6-4T No 2517 (rear view showing
Hudd ATC gear); Fairburn 2-6-4T No 42226; Fowler 2-6-4T No 42329; No 42502;
Stanier 2-6-4T No 42523;
Topping, Brian. Anytime,
any place, anywhere... Part 5. [LMS 2-6-4Ts: Hudd fitted three-cylinder].
Steam Wld, 2005 (212). 40-3.
The Hudd ATC (automatic train control system) was introduced on the
LTSR. In connection with this the formerly domeless three-cylinder 2-6-4Ts
were fitted with domed boilers with increased superheating. The cab doors
were also modified. Notes on feedwater treatment using Aflock and tannin
is also mentioned.
1935 : two-cylinder taper-boiler locomotives.
L.M.S. 2-6-4 passenger tank engine. Engineer, 1936, 161, 83-4.
illus.
TWO-CYLINDER 2-6-4 passenger tank engines, L.M. & S. Rly.. Loco. Rly
Carr. Wagon Rev., 1936, 42, 2-4. illus., diagr. (s. & f.
els.)
2-6-4 two cylinder tank locomotive, L.M.S.R..
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1937,
43, 107. illus.
A note on welded components.
Dynamometer car tests with exhaust steam injector: 1946
Metcalfe, Richard. Davies &
Metcalfe Ltd: railway engineers to the world. 1999. page 127.
Tests on Southport to Manchester Victoria route which claimed a marked
improvement in steaming when working with exhaust steam injector:
lbs | live steam injector | exhaust steam injector | saving |
coal per dbhp | 5.03 |
4.39 |
12.7% |
water per dbhp | 37.1 |
34.7 |
7.5% |
water evaporated per lb coal | 7.37 |
7.78 |
+5.6% |
Retrospective & critical
Beavor, E.S. Steam was my calling.
1974).
Claimed (p. 139) that L1s steamed better than LMS 2-6-4Ts (at Neasden),
but did not ride as well.
Cox, E.S. Memorandum to S.J. Symes.
LMS Journal, 2007 (20),
20-3.
This is a facsimile reproduction of a typewritten document entitled
Standard 2-6-4 tank engines and "Precursor" tank engines on Watford and
Tring residential services dated 9 November 1932 from the Chief
Mechanical Engineer's Office at Euston. Caption to illus. of No. 2307, a
parallel boiler locomotive, notes that enginemen tended to favour the parallel
boiler over the taper boiler versions of the 2-6-4Ts..NOTE: this observation
was made by Bob Essery not by Cox..
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991.
Class 4 two-cylinder 2-6-4T long wheelbase. Pp. 15-18. As noted in
1927 Fowler had introduced some highly successful parallel boilered 2-6-4T
locomotives to handle heavy suburban passenger trains. Clearly this was a
design which Stanier could endorse, but which could not be redesigned immediately
to incorporate his own ideas. The last 30 locomotives to be built (Nos 2395-2424)
in the 1933 Building Programme were therefore modified from the original
design as a halfway stage before the taper boiler version could be produced.
The more visible changes were the provision of double side-window cabs, wheels
with tri angular rims and built-up balance weights, and side bolster bogies
and bissel trucks.
The building of Stanier's taper boiler version began at the end of
1935, and over the next seven years a total of 206 was built, 133 at Derby
and 73 by the North British Locomotive Co (Hyde Park works, Springburn).
It was originally intended that the first batch of eight, Nos 2537-2544,
should be of the three-cylinder type but this was changed after
ordering.
The general layout and wheelbase were similar to that of the parallel
boiler version, but slightly larger cylinders with extended valve chests
and outside steam pipes were provided. The valve spindle crosshead guides
were fitted to the rear valve chest covers instead of on separate frame brackets.
Improvements were made to axleboxes and spring gear.
The taper boiler (Class 4) with top-feed (under the usual small dome-like
casing with side bulges) was identical with that of the three-cylinder 2-6-4Ts,
save only for an increase in the size of the superheater to 18 elements,
and the provision of wash out inspection doors on the top shoulders of the
Belpaire firebox, under small domed covers. The smokebox rested on a
saddle.
The side tanks and bunker were of riveted construction, the narrow
bunker top being tapered inwards at the back end to give the driver better
visibility when running bunker first: this resulted in a prominent diagonal
fold line in the bunker side plating. The side tanks featured a small access
cutout over the expansion links, to reach which a footstep was fitted to
the bottom of the motion plate with a grab handle on the footplate valance
angle. The double side-window cab had waist-height doors and was cut away
behind the doorway. A similar bi-directional water scoop to that on the Fowler
locomotives was fitted below the cab, revealed by the domes in the back of
the cab and the additional operating handle behind the driver. Dry trickle
sanding equipment was provided. The class proved very efficient and economical,
though when used on unbraked freight trains great care was needed on steep
falling gradients because of their limited brake power.
Vickers, Raymond. The Fowler, Stanier and Fairburn 2-6-4 tanks
of the LMSR. Backtrack, 2020,
34, 470-5.
Writer compiling the Railway Correspondence & Travel Society volume
on 'LMS Passenger Tanks: based on LMS Test reports (Box 688 TEST at NRM);
Journal Articles Cox, E.S. 1946 Table X, p136, of 'Modern locomotive history:
ten years development of the LMS 1923-1932'
Journal of the Institution of Locomotive
Engineers 36, Paper No.457, 1946.
Essery, Bob, and Jenkinson, David,
An illustrated history of LMS locomotives Vo1.5: The Post- Grouping standard
designs, Silver Link Publishing Ltd. 1989, Details of the 2-6-4T
series are in pages 159- 177. The article also gives some information about
Fairburn type and BR modification of that to for Standard Class 4 2-6-4T,
but excludes Stanier three-cylindeer type
The only "Fairburn" locomotive was the modified form of 2-6-4T. He probably had something to do with the large diesel electric locomotive accredited to Ivatt.
4 :1945 : Fairburn:
This was a derivative of the Stanier class 4 design, but modified
to be lighter and shorter, thus permitting a wider range of
duties.
London, Midland and Scottish Railway: modified 2-6-4T locomotives.
J.Stephenson Loco. Soc., 1945, 21, 136.
L.M.S. tank engine. Engineer, 1945, 179, 505. illus., table.
New post-war locomotives on the L.M.S. and L.N.E.Rs.. Railways,
1945, 6, 124-6. 3 illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.)
New 2-6-4 tank engines, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1945, 83,
182.
Editorial comment.
New 2-6-4 tank locomotives, London, Midland & Scottish Railway.
Loco. Rly Carr.Wagon Rev., 1945,
51,102-3. illus.,diagr. (s.& f.els.)
New 2-6-4 tank locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1945,
83, 190. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.), table.
2-6-4 mixed-traffic tank locomotive: L.M.S. Railway. Engineering,
1945, 159, 507-8. illus., diagr. (s. el.)
Retrospective & critical
Bond, R.C. Organisation and control
of locomotive repairs on British Railways. J. Instn Loco. Engrs,
1953, 43, 175. 216-65. (Paper No. 520).
Mileage figures are quoted to show the advantage of manganese steel
axlebox liners (79,361: as fitted to this type) compared with the other class
4 2-6-4Ts (55,579).
Churcher, Colin J. The L.T. & S. 2-6-4 tanks.
Rly Wld, 1962, 23,
179.
Re L.M.S. and B.R. 2-6-4 tank engines. In summer of 1961 writer worked
at Shoeburyness (L.T.S.) motive power depot and fired the Stanier three-cylinder
and Fairburn two-cylinder varieties of the L.M.S. and also the standard type.
The following notes may be of interest.
In general, the older L.T. & S. drivers seemed to prefer the three-cylinder
engines, while the younger drivers and firemen preferred the standard engines.
It is easy to see why the firemen like the standards. The rocking grates
take much of the hard work out of cleaning the fire (he once put one away
in 10-15min, with the driver's help) but difficulties may arise if a broken
piece of brick arch gets stuck in the bars. Another advantage is that both
steam and water controls for the two injectors are conveniently placed so
that the fireman can set either injector without leaving his seat. On the
other hand the standard engines have several disadvantages. Drivers complain
that these engines are very hot. Several controls, blower, brakes, etc. are
placed in between the drivtng position and the fire. The driver is further
protected by a metal sheet which extends from the back-plate into the cab.
It seems that these must absorb the heat from the fire to make the driver's
position almost unbearable in summer, but he did not notice this from the
fireman's side.
Another disadvantage was that the lookout was so placed that one had to crane
one's neck all the time; this is paniculurly bad for the shorter drivers.
Perhaps the worst part of the standard 2-6-4 tanks was that there was an
exposed steam pipe fixed to the boiler barrel in such a position as to appear
to be a continuation of the hand railing. He had seen several nasty burns
sustained by firemen when filling the tanks of these engines.
The L.M.S. engines did have their disadvantages. Only a few were fitted with
rocking bars and so all the clinker has to come out through the firehole
and the ash pan had to be emptied by hand, However, the general opinion seemed
to be that a Starrier three-cylinder in good condition was equal, if not
superior. to the other types. It seems sirmificnnt that as far as he knew
the fastest train in between Southend and London, the 09.05. was never hauled
by a standard. He personally preferred the Fairburn engines; the Staniers
tended to throw the heat back more.
Hardy, R.H.N. A 'stranger'
strolls down Stewart's Lane. Part 29. Steam Wld, 2003 (194),
42-7.
At Stewart's Lane thhis type was known semi-officially as the P4 class:
Hardy called the injectors fitted "terrible".
"Namron", pseud. Uckfield line services. J. Stephenson Loco.
Soc., 1955, 31, 26-7.
A Southern Region footplate man's impressions, which were not so happy
as Powell's.
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991.
Originally appeared as Pony trucks to the fore. [Trains ill.,
1958, 11, 35 1-7. (Living with L.M.S.locomotives 5)].
Class 4 two-cylinder 2-6-4T short wheelbase. Pp. 19-21: By 1943 some 243
2-6-4T locomotives of Stanier design, with either two or three cylinders
were in service, having the same 38ft 6in wheelbase as their Fowler predecessors
and thus limited to 6 chain minimum radius curves. The accession of C. E.
Fairburn as acting CME in 1943 led to a reappraisal of the two-cylinder design,
discarding the traditional 8ft 0in + 8ft 6in coupled wheelbase to give greater
flexibility; they could then negotiate 5 chain curves. A bonus was a weight
reduction of 2.6 tons. So successful did this revised design
prove that following trials it was also adopted for use on Southern Region
services (but see Namron), Brighton works building 41 out of a total of 277.
They formed the basis of the BR Standard 2-6-4T (80XXX series), though the
latter were less highly regarded by enginemen.
The principal dimensions apart from length and weight - were unchanged
from the Stanier long-wheelbase 2-6-4Ts. There was a considerable number
of visual changes, however.(i) The front platforms were of light folded
construction, open in front of the cylinders for easier access to the piston
valves; (ii) The side tanks and bunker were of a new design, part welded
and part riveted, not supported by a platform valance angle. The internal
baffle plates were riveted but the tank bottom was welded as far as the trailing
coupled axle, behind which it was riveted. The bunker top had vertical sides
and there was (iii) Footsteps at the front and under the cab were of open
type; (iv) The coupling rods were fluted (v) Double brake blocks articulated
on to each hanger were provided to give longer block life (vi) External sieve
boxes were fitted under each tank balancing pipe behind the cab footsteps
(vii) Self-cleaning smokeboxes were fitted. This was not immediately accompanied
by the fitting of 'SC' plates below the shed plate (viii) The atomiser steam
cock was moved to the high position on the smokebox as on Nos 2537-2544,
and a cover was provided. Commencing with No 2229 (Derby, 5/46) all new examples
were fitted with rocking grates and hopper ashpans to make shed disposal
easier. The oper ating gear for the ashpan hopper doors projected from the
left side
Radford, J.R. Derby Works
and Midland locomotives. p.199.
Locomotives constructed at Derby
Order | Locomotive Nos | Year built |
O/8277 | 2673-7 | 1945 |
O/8278 | 2678-87 | 1945 |
O/8467 | 2688-99, 2200-2 | 1945 |
O/8468 | 2203-2222 | 1945-6 |
O/672 | 2223-32 | 1946 |
O/675 | 2233-52 | 1946 |
O/678 | 2253-72 | 1946-7 |
O/1676 | 2273-92 | 1947 |
Part O/1678 | 2293-99 | 1947 |
Part O/1678 | 2187-99 | 1947-8 |
Topping, Brian. Anytime,
any place, anywhere... Part 6. Steam Wld, 2005 (213). 42-5.
Substantial modifications were involved in the Fairburn version of
the LMS 2-6-4T.
Topping, Brian. Anytime, any
place, anywhere... Part 7. Steam Wld, 2005 (214). 8-12.
Later batches of the "Fairburn" 2-6-4Ts.
2-6-2T
Class 3: 1935 :
NEW 2-6-2 passenger tank locomotives, L.M.& S. Railway.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1935,
41, 75-6. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.)
NEW 2-6-2 tank locomotive, L.M.S.R.. Rly Mag., 1935, 76, 268.
illus.
NEW 2-6-2 tank locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1935, 62, 436;
446. 2 illus.
2-6-2 type tank locomotive; L.M.and S. Ry.. Engineering, 1935,
139, 263. illus.
WELDING in locomotive construction. Rly Gaz., 1936, 64, 400-3.
8 illus.
Especially smokebox saddles.
1935:
Locomotive experimentally equipped with a water de-sanding device
to prevent track circuit interference.
LOCOMOTIVE sand gear and track circuit. Rly Gaz., 1935, 62,
471.
Larger boilers for some of the class.
BRITISH locomotive developments. Rly Mag., 1941, 87, 173-6.3
illus., 3 diagrs. (s.els.)
MODIFIED tank locomotives, L.M.S.R.: the standard 2-6-2 design re boilered.
Loco. Rly Carr.Wagon Rev., 1941,
47, 76-7. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.)
RE-BOILERED tank engines, L.M.S.R.. Rly Gaz., 1941, 74, 253.
illus., 2 diagrs. (s. els.)
Retrospective and critical
Bourne, T.W. (Smokey). Back to reality.
Modellers Backtrack, 1994,
4, 116-18.
Critical of the concept of Chief Mechanical Engineers, notably Webb,
but Stanier is also condemned. In both cases their approach to standardisation
is condemned: Webb because Crewe Works were unable to adept to change, and
Stanier for his application of a standard tapered boiler to a poor design
as in the class 3 2-6-2T.
Cox, E.S.. Locomotive
panorama. Vol. 1 p. 113
The smallest of the new range was also the least satisfactory, namely
the Class 3 2-6-2 Tank. Instead of breaking away completely, Stanier merely
revamped the already unsatisfactory Derby engine, retaining the same spread-out
wheelbase, tractive effort and grate area. Certainly the whole engine was
redesigned with taper boiler, new cylinders, cab tanks and bunker, and with
long travel valve gear, but it was still under-boilered. Many changes were
made subsequently, such as increasing the grate area from 17.5 to 19.2 sq.
ft., introducing a modernised version of the Adams 'Vortex' blast pipe, and
most drastic move of all, the rebuilding of three engines with larger diameter
boilers. Nothing sufficed, however, to make this class better than very
pedestrian, and I recall how unsatisfactory they were on the St. Pancras
suburban services before they were entirely replaced by 2-6-4 Tanks soon
after nationalisation.
Hughes, Tudor LMS 2-6-2Ts [letter].
Backtrack, 2019, 33, 702.
Notes ultra low total heating surface of Fowler version: 795
ft2 which is markedly less than the 953
ft2 of the GWR 14XX 0-4-2T
Loach, J.C. discussion on Cox, E.S. A modern locomotive history: ten
years' development on the L.M.S. 1923-1932.
J. Instn Loco. Engrs., 1946,
36, 161-3. (Paper No. 457)
Highly critical of the LMS lack of a small smart tank engine. The
Stanier 2-6-2T still had an undersized boiler. He was also critical of the
bissel trucks in spite of Stanier having modified them with bolster bearing
pads and check springs. The 16ft 8in fixed wheelbase was excessive and the
overhang was appreciable: he suggested 14ft or 14ft 6in. Cox replied that
the wheelbase was an "old Spanish custom" at Derby, and that in later designs
this had been reduced.
Powell, A.J. Stanier locomotive
classes. 1991.
"They were still poor locomotives" [like the Fowler locomotives]
and the wheelbase "could with advantage have been reduced by 18in or more".
"There was a very small superheater of only seven elements which did nothing
to improve the steaming." "...the side tanks were on the shallow side and
their limited capacity sometimes restricted their working range". They "were
undoubtedly Stanier's least successful design."
R.L. Vickers.The LMS Class 4 tanks. Letter
Backtrack, 2013, 27, 510.
Writer compiling the Railway Correspondence & Travel Society volume
on 'LMS Passenger Tanks:.the piece mentioned that the 3P 2-6-2Ts were not
so successful to be polite. Those enginemen who worked on the 3Ps
are still trying to forget the experience. Now in his researches he has
discovered that when very new the [Fowler] 3Ps were warmly welcomed. The
'Locomotive Practice and Performance' section of the Railway Magazine
for May and June 1931 had a discussion by Cecil J. Allen of details sent
to him from a correspondent in the West Midlands. The 3Ps were noted
for their comfortable cabs, power and silent running. They had a 'soft blast'
and were liable, even when brand-new, to blocked tubes and other problems.
Mr. Allen and his correspondent wrote that such problems were common on the
new "thermally efficient" locomotives, especially those with "long lap long
travel valves" which were not fitted on the Fowler 3Ps. The later
Stanier locomotives did have them and were no great improvement on the Fowler
tanks. In 1941 tests were made on Stanier 3Ps in runs on the Derby-Darley
Dale route. The test locomotives were fitted with various blast modifications.
The final report in April 1942 recommended the fitting of annular (ring within
a ring) orifices in the blastpipe. This was later done on many engines, to
Order 665.
Vickers, Raymond. The London Midland & Scottish Railway Class
3 2-6-2 tanks. Backtrack, 2019,
33. 556-62.
As above plus notes gradual enlargement of grate area as series progressed
from 17.5ft2 to 19.2ft2.
2 :1946 : Ivatt
This class was linked to the 2-6-0 design and was intended for branch
line working. It formed the basis for the similar British Railway's design,
but in retrospect may be regarded as being too sophisticated for such mundane
duties, and something simpler and cheaper might have been more apt.
L.M.S.R. locomotive developments. Rly Mag., 1947, 93, 82; 84-7.
4 illus., 4 diagrs. (5. els.)
L.M.S.R. 2-6-2 tank engines for secondary services. Rly Gaz., 1948,
88, 105+. illus., diagr. (s. & f. els.)
NEW L.M.S. locomotives. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1947, 53,
5-6; 16-17.
4 illus., 2 diagrs. (s. & f. els.)
NEW L.M.S. locomotives. Rly Gaz., 1947, 86, 14-16.5 illus.,
2 diagrs. (s.& f.els.)
NEW standard locomotives for L.M.S. Railway.. J.Stephenson Loco. Soc.,
1947, 23, 39-42. 2 illus.
NEW standard locomotives, L.M.S.R.. Rly pict.;1947, (2), 120-1.2
illus.,
diagr. Cs. & f. els.)
The 7,000th locomotive buift at Crewe. Rly Mag., 1950, 96,
756-60. 12 illus.
No.41272 : commemorative plaque and notes on the first, thousand
Retrospective and critical
Bond, R.C. Organisation and control
of locomotive repairs on British Railways. J. Instn Loco. Engrs, 1953,
43, 175-216. Disc.: 217-65 + 5 folding plates. (incl. 2 col.).
6 illus., 4 diagrs., 11 tables. (Paper No. 520).
Quotes mileages achieved between repairs: 83,155.
Tenders (coal weighing)
Coal weighing tenders L.M.S. Railway.
Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1947,
53, 49-50. illus., diagr.
Two tenders introduced under H.G. Ivatt with weighing appartus supplied
by the Transport & Generaal Engineering Co. of Leeds.
Most were covered by Cox, but the 4-4-0 was not.
Atkins, Philip. Some thoughts
on the proposed LMS 4-6-4. LMS Journal, 2009 (25) 78-80.
Two boiler designs were considered: one was similar to the Princess
Coronation, the other would have sought to improve the A/S ratios and would
have adopted 5½in flues (only used in Britain in LBSCR superheated
locomotives and the GSR 800 class). It would not have been possible to
incorporate a combustion chamber, nor would it have been possible to adopt
a Belpaire firebox for the 70ft2 grate. The round-top grate was
to be fed via a mechanical stoker. Some consideration (a weight diagram is
included) is given to a four-cylinder compound Duchess with Kylchap
double-chimney and mechanical stoker. Also notes that No. 6257 weighed 112.5
tons.
Rowland, Don. Black '4'. (Essence
of LMS 4). Rly Wld, 1985, 46, 130-2.
Projected Stanier design for an outside-cylinder 4-4-0: drawing dated
9 September 1941 for which signed A.E. Owen. Used shortened 3B boiler and
gave two suggetsed cylinder sizes and two boiler pressures.
Rutherford, Michael. Some notes on
the 4-4-0 type and its final fling. Railway Reflections No. 77. Backtrack,
2001, 15, 292-9.
Includes a Stanier design for an LMS two-cylinder class 4
4-4-0 (Stanier was very rude about Churchward's County class
and this is a most intriguing might have been).
Bob Mills wrote (page 422) concerning
the Stanier County.
Three-cylinder Pacific
Atkins, P. West coast
4-6-0s at work. 1981. Chap. 8.
Noted three-cylinder Pacific proposed for Midland Division with 20
ton axleload: design not progressed due to rebuilding of Royal Scot
class.
Turbine lelectric condensing locomotive with Lamont boiler
Cox. Locomotive panorama. Vol.
1 pp. 121-2
The exercise on the Turbine-Electric engine was suggested by the
availability at that time of three new types of high pressure boiler recently
developed for locomotive purposes. These were the Velox, a drum-type water-tube
boiler having forced circulation and combustion under pressure, the ' Steamotive
" a once through 'flash' type boiler, with automatically controlled oil firing,
somethmg on the lines of the' Vapor' boiler with which we are now so familiar
on diesels, and finally the Lamont, also a water-tube and drum-type boiler
having forced circulation, but capable of burning coal .under manual operation.
Notwithstanding the unhappy expenence wIth. the Schffildt-Henschel boiler
already referred to, high pressure did seem in these pre-diesel days one
method of raising. the low thermal efficiency of steam traction. I made my
first visit abroad m February 1937 in company with Herbert Chambers, to examine
the Velox boiler in Paris, where a prototype was bemg mounted on the chassis
of an old P.L.M. compound 4-6-0. Although this effort was eventually put
to work, and I rode on it on a subsequent visit in 1938, it was really a
most complex piece of machinery which did not commend itself to British operating
conditions. The boiler selected for our own scheme was the Lamont, which
alone of the alternatives could be served with coal in the ordinary way.
The locomotive as worked out followed the principle of the Beyer
Peacock-Ljungstrom engine in that the boiler, fuel and water ran on one unit,
the turbo-generator and air-cooled condenser on the other, a major difference
was that both units were mounted on conventional motor bogies. Each unit
was 52' long and diesel-type cabs were provided at the outer ends. The fireman
was to occupy a compartment amidships in the boiler unit, and he might have
found the climate rather warm, as did the unfortunate fireman who took out
Bulleids 'Leader' engine having a similarly placed 'glory hole' some ten
years later. Total weight was about 184 tons, and 3,000 h.p. at the traction
motors was proposed, which would have given a sustained performance substantially
above that of the existing Pacifies. When full advantage was taken of the
theoretical improvement in efficiency, the coal price of £1 per ton
ruling at the time only offered a 10% return on an increased capital cost
of some £3,000, and such a machine was bound to cost far more than that
beyond conventional practice. For this reason the proposal was dropped, and
recalling subsequent experiences in this field in different parts of the
world, few regrets remain.
Barnes, Robin. Locomotives that never
were. Chapter 30
Cites Cox: one of the best of Barnes's creations: a wonderful vision
in red and gold numbered 6500
and the Stanier cross-breed 4F/2251?
Rly Mag., 1941, 87 (525), 101.
the strange background colour is due to WW2 paper degradation!
NCC W class 2-6-0
Stanier was present at LMS Board meeting which discussed new 4-4-0
for NCC: he proposed a mixed traffic 2-6-0: see
Aspinwall; the actual work on design
was done by Symes,
Chackfield, J.E. Ron Jarvis:
from Midland Compound to the HST. 2004.
Page 88 In May 1948 Jarvis and Coleman visited the Swiss Locomotive
& Machine Works (SLM) at Winterthur to investigate the purchase of two
rotary snowploughs (following the severe winter of 1947). Proposals were
put to Riddles, but these were ignored by him.